Pros/Cons of a cupped left wrist at the top

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Tball88

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I've have a relatively strong left wrist and in an effort to take the left side out of play, I've recently been cupping the left wrist slightly at the top and flattening it through the downswing (similar to Hogan's move).

Three things I've noticed, One it takes the left more out of play, two it's very difficult to flip with this kind of action, three you can get quite a bit of compression. Disadvantage is I can't let the lower body run off or it's big time fore right.

Anyone else play this way that has feedback?
 
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To me a lot of it depends on where you are as a striker...

If you are a weak slicer, I'm going to work away from the cup position.

If you are a striker that looses the ball to the left, a little cup, like you have won't kill ya and should help.

All is all, I'd prefer to see the "BM Neutral" grip with a nice flat relationship to the face as it takes out one more moving part and timing issue.
 
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torvine

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I have started cupping my left wrist as soon as possible in the takeaway. The more I cup the better I strike the ball.

Golf is a game of opposites & I dont think closing the club face will help slicing at all. Get the face open it can ONLY come to the ball from the inside...
 
cmartingolf

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dannyc said:
doesn't a neutral grip add a moving part (rotation of left forearm)?
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Good point! But lets say you gripped a club with a left wrist turned 90 to the grooves (the extreme) and could really zero out forearm rotation, it is REALLY hard to strike effective iron shots off of turf and your odds get worse as the loft goes down.

So, IMO, you trade one evil for another that provides better odds of striking successfuly.
 
cmartingolf

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torvine said:
I have started cupping my left wrist as soon as possible in the takeaway. The more I cup the better I strike the ball.

Golf is a game of opposites & I dont think closing the club face will help slicing at all. Get the face open it can ONLY come to the ball from the inside...
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I don't know who you are teaching, but I've seen gajillions of wide open club faces coming steep from the outside. I'd send video, but I don't know if this forum has the stomach. I get a little queezy when I see it or think about it.

Slicing = tilted D plane to the right or open clubface to path and/or target line. You have to fix that tilt to fix the slice.

Fanning the club open on the way back may help someone that has absolutely no issues getting the face back to square, but will add more issue to any previously cuppy weak slicer.
 
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Jim Kobylinski

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for real slicers who have poor grips, huge open clubfaces, and over rotated left arms the twistaway pattern is probably going to be their nirvana
 
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torvine

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Ok, a little over excitement, the face can go outside if open. But...

To quote from Hogan's book...

" I would roll the face open as fast and as far as I could "

I think doing so gets your right arm in the correct position for a delivery. There is NO reason to square or think about squaring the club, it will happen.
 
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Damon Lucas

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torvine said:
Ok, a little over excitement, the face can go outside if open. But...

To quote from Hogan's book...

" I would roll the face open as fast and as far as I could "

I think doing so gets your right arm in the correct position for a delivery. There is NO reason to square or think about squaring the club, it will happen.
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Except for those that it doesn't!

Keep on teaching this aspect of Hogan's lessons-it will help at most 15% of golfers.
 
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torvine

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NO - Except for those that prefer quick fixes & have never been shown. Take a pupil & try it.

Sure there must be many methods, twistaway etc... But it removes mechanics and makes things work.

Who said I was a teacher anyway..? I'm not.
 
Erik_K

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Damon Lucas said:
Except for those that it doesn't!

Keep on teaching this aspect of Hogan's lessons-it will help at most 15% of golfers.
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I agree with Damon here. I can think of no bigger 'death move' in the swing than intentionally rolling the club face open.
 
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torvine

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A death move on it's own. Certainly.

But........

I hit to the LEFT for the ball to go RIGHT
I hit DOWN for the ball to go UP

I OPEN the face in order to CLOSE the face
 
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Brian Manzella

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torvine said:
I have started cupping my left wrist as soon as possible in the takeaway. The more I cup the better I strike the ball.

Golf is a game of opposites & I dont think closing the club face will help slicing at all. Get the face open it can ONLY come to the ball from the inside...
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Sorry,

I think this post of yours incorrect post in the history of this forum.

If you took the most representative golfer/slicer that comes to me or Mike Finney or Mike Jacobs, and you had them open the club right away as works for you, you would have folks shanking and hitting the ball with parts of the club that you would not think are possible.

How many slicers have you fixed with instant cupping?
 
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Brian Manzella

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torvine said:
Ok, a little over excitement, the face can go outside if open. But...

To quote from Hogan's book...

" I would roll the face open as fast and as far as I could "

I think doing so gets your right arm in the correct position for a delivery. There is NO reason to square or think about squaring the club, it will happen.
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You have absolutely no idea.

Whoa.
 
self-mastery

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Erik_K said:
I agree with Damon here. I can think of no bigger 'death move' in the swing than intentionally rolling the club face open.
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MEH... It depends on the golfer. I haven't hit a slice (or anywhere towards right field) with an iron in 5+ years. I can roll the club face open all I want and hit a draw, pull, or a hook.
 
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torvine

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I am convinced cupping the wrist does very good things and gives reduced unwanted movement. I need to experiment further....

Somewhat silly to dismiss findings unless they conform.
 
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