drewyallop
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And do not start a war because it will end bad for you this way or another.
Really D? Do you have mob contacts over here?
Really D? Do you have mob contacts over here?
Revisiting Swinging Left.
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Dariusz J.
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Thank you.
I'll tell you something more now - you're a pro and A GENTLEMAN. Bobby J. would have been proud.
I do not want the challenge with you. Mark it I lost, please.
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I'll tell you something more now - you're a pro and A GENTLEMAN. Bobby J. would have been proud.
I do not want the challenge with you. Mark it I lost, please.
Cheers
Dariusz J.
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What's mob ? You mean mob as the Roman name for crowd ? If yes - no. I always wanted to be the last Roman.
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drewyallop
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I yam what I yam....Popeye
Once it is translated into Polish I recommend that you read Khaneman's "Thinking, Fast and Slow". It seems to me that you use System 1 (thinking fast) too much. Could be wrong.
Dariusz J.
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What is your point ? Another preacher ?...
I recommend to you to stick your nose into your own business.
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Please don't take this as anything other the compliment it's intended to be, but thank you to all who participated in the last three pages of this thread. I thought the Monty Python team had reformed and Ministry of Silly Walked their way over to the Manzella forum. Great argument, everybody putting in their two pennies worth and lots of comedy.
(And, of course, the thought of Dariusz rampaging around in a Roman legionnaire's uniform, spear in one hand and a copy Ben Hogan's Five Lessons tucked into his tunic just sent me over the edge.)
(And, of course, the thought of Dariusz rampaging around in a Roman legionnaire's uniform, spear in one hand and a copy Ben Hogan's Five Lessons tucked into his tunic just sent me over the edge.)
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drewyallop
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Dariusz J.
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Glad I amused you. BTW, I couldn't have rather been an ordinary legionaire because of a prosaic issue - there probably was no uniform big enough for me ROFL.
Afraid of what ? of some silly Pole criminals with guns fighting for money ? ROFL...don't make me laugh, mate.
Have you eve been feared of something big in life, tell me ? Have you seen, heard and, what was the worst felt tanks coming along near your window when you're a tenager ? I will never free myself from that sound, never. The next day they proclaimed the war. My beloved Grandma had a stroke and my Father run in the snow with our small car (and it was a strooong winter with lots of snow) to beg the soldiers to allow the ambulance come for Her. I better stop here, it's a golf forum.
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Kevin Shields
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Where's the left?
When does it start?
Are you thinking "swing left" Kevin?
Is the -0.3* really the "True Path"? If so, what was the HSP?
And on a related topic, I do not think of swinging left.
Agreed. Civility revisited. My instructor creed: the person I am teaching is WAY more important than anything I'm teaching them !
lia41985
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Tiger, hitting a 5 yard fade, practice round, 2011 Chevron: https://picasaweb.google.com/Lukman...CMHm9LrVx-DynwE#slideshow/5694534630693492226
Richard the Nerd
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Interesting....where does this line up with the new release stuff? Looks different from the version of swinging left by Kevin? Is this "good" "bad" or is what it is as far as Eldrick goes?
Brian Manzella
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Richard,
There are obviously infinite numbers of ways to ZERO OUT.
But basically, there are three.
1. Aim Straight and carry a bit and swing left of your stance and the target —ala Kevin Shields.
2. Aim 2.4° left with every club, swing right there, and have a tour avg type AofA —ala David TomsA
3. Aim at least 2.4° left (about 4.5 yards-per-100) and hit down on it a bunch and swing even further left —ala Tiger Woods 2012
There are obviously infinite numbers of ways to ZERO OUT.
But basically, there are three.
1. Aim Straight and carry a bit and swing left of your stance and the target —ala Kevin Shields.
2. Aim 2.4° left with every club, swing right there, and have a tour avg type AofA —ala David TomsA
3. Aim at least 2.4° left (about 4.5 yards-per-100) and hit down on it a bunch and swing even further left —ala Tiger Woods 2012
Further, where would somebody like Jesper Parnevik fit in there? It looks to me - although I could be mistaken - that Kevin aims just a little bit to the right: Would that aid in going left in terms of freeing up the right side to rotate harder?
Richard the Nerd
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To your "new release" stuff....I see that "zero-ing out" would be inherently easier doing the "new release" vs. "handle dragging"...would it not be easier to "zero out" with the club "thrown out" more when the hands are in the right thigh area than having "a bunch of lag" with clubhead higher off the ground and relatively more "back and in" of the hands? Seems like with the "acute" angles associated with "handle dragging" you got yourself a double dose of "swinging to the right"...that would have to be accounted for in some form or fashion?
Brian Manzella
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Yup.
Less downward Angle of Attack
Yup.
Less downward Angle of Attack
Yup.
It is tough to do.
You need MASSIVELY more jump, inward arms, etc.
And since the AofA is 99% of the time much more downward, you have to swing further left to zero out.
Richard the Nerd
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Sure does sound like it'd be easier to skin the cat thata way then.....
So since lots of instructor types are teaching acute angles late...does the science community say there is anything to be gained by having "delay" and "more wrist cock later" in terms of speed/distance/power or whatever?
Jared Willerson
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Only to a certain point though, right Nate? At some point the law of diminishing returns would seem to take effect.
Richard the Nerd
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Does math say there is a "too late"?
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