Richie3Jack
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Very good point. Years ago I was walking with splayed feet and started to feel some knee pain. I didn't know that was the issue until my chiropractor told me to stop doing it and the knee pain went away.
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Richie3Jack on Tiger's Knee
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Very good point. Years ago I was walking with splayed feet and started to feel some knee pain. I didn't know that was the issue until my chiropractor told me to stop doing it and the knee pain went away.
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Jack was a terrific athlete in high school. He was offered a basketball scholarship at Ohio State at the same time Bob Knight, John Havlicek and Jerry Lucas were winning the NCAA tournament.
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Bigger, stronger, faster is always better.
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Shht...that means I'm screwed cause I'm : Wider, Weaker, Slower
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Tiger was a walking stick when he came on tour. Somebody must have talked him into putting on mass and he got obsessed with it when he saw his body change. I don't know who his fitness coach was, but he was not training him like a golfer. Mass will restrict your flexibility and the 7 miles of running a few times a week, is the worst exercise for your knees. I also read that his father taught him he could swing as fast as he can, as long as you stay balanced. Because of that, he always looks like he's swinging for the fences. That much speed, rotating around his front leg for years, can't be too good for his knees either. I'm still a fan know matter if he's #1 in the world or not.
Why do people assume because he gained muscular weight, that it's the cause of his knee problem? Hal Sutton and Andy Bean have gained about 50 lbs. How are their knees? Fred Funk a slender guy, had his replaced. Too much fitness for Fred? I think 90% of these injuries are genetics and luck.
I spent years on yoga and working out in an attempt to hit it longer. Small gains. I like the shape I'm in and have more stamina on the course, but driver club head speed didn't change all that much. Recently I started working on speed drills and had a lesson or two with a guy who touts himself as a speed coach. I am now a firm believer that strength and flexibility are not the keys to speed. In a short amount of time I have gained 10 m.p.h. on the driver. I don't understand all the theory, but it centers around fast twitch muscle use and training and letting your body "rediscover" what it knew when it was younger. A lot of it makes sense to me. Kids who learn the game usually hit it good distances. They learn when their bodies are okay with doing it as fast as they can. I know this could be another short detour on my journey, but right now I'm pretty pumped about practicing and playing.
BTW, Tiger looked pretty jacked to me at Bethpage (I stood about 10 feet away on 18th tee) and looks noticably smaller to me on t.v. now.
BTW, Tiger looked pretty jacked to me at Bethpage (I stood about 10 feet away on 18th tee) and looks noticably smaller to me on t.v. now.
Good point. Tiger's knee was already compromised by a childhood injury, which was exacerbated by his swing. I don't think that his gaining 20 lbs of functional weight had much to do with it.
I had the opposite reaction when I saw him in person. Because of all of the stuff I'd read online about his regime & physique, combined with seeing him on tv, I was shocked at how small he was in person. Athletic, but small. He's not built like a typical golfer, but I still don't get the references to how "big" or "buff" he is, even going so far as to hint a steroid use.
If all I got out of using 'roids was 185 lbs at 6' tall over a 10+ year span, I'd want a refund...
Exactly... where is all this "muscle mass"? Just my opinion, but I thought the blog post was a fine example of how NOT to write for publication.
The author of the blog didn't provide before/after pics of Eldrick to support the point made by the David Boston pics, so I searched the web. I couldn't find any.
To suggest Arnie and Jack were not muscular appears strange to me - Arnie was known for his muscular and athletic build in his prime, and Jack was a powerful young man. Fact.
What was the point of the paragraph on Camilo? He's not a big guy, so working out makes sense. Is weight training supposed to be the reason he's not ranked higher?
Gossip, good or bad, seems to drive people to add to it. Personally, I think the blog author owes an apology. It could go something like this:
Dear Eldrick,
Sorry I wrote such trash about you. I'll try to be more sensible in the future.
Signed
The Author of That Blog
Richie3Jack
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Judge for yourself. I think there's a difference, but you may not
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And here's Eldrick as an amateur
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I've met people who knew Arnie, and he had some sting behind it. I've also met and played golf with people who played with Jack. Sure he was a bit chubby at one time, but he could stoke it. Greg was always in top shape. JD has a distinctly different build to TW.
Eldrick looks to me to have gained about 22lbs/10kg, about what I would expect him to gain naturally over 10 years of specific training. I thnk it's unfair to suggest the use of drugs in the absence of facts. Especially when it's not reasonable for him to defend himself.
Richie3Jack
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I don't think I've suggested drug use. I'm just saying if it happened...it wouldn't surprise me. Doug Barron was using them for cryin' out loud. I do think there's a difference between saying 'I wouldn't be surprised' and 'suggesting drug use.'
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Doug Barron has/had testosterone issues - sympathy there, as well as a thumbs down to the PGA tour for over zealousness.
I think the finger pointing and supposed 'non' rumour mongering about Tiger and drug use is a bit boring, and one of those things people, who don't like his extra curricular shenanigans and propensity to emit invective occasionally, use to further their case. His strengths are/have been in the past, his abilities with his long and middle irons, streaky great putting, an excellent short game, and mental fortitude of the highest order, none of which are really greatly enhanced by drug use. But so what?
I think the finger pointing and supposed 'non' rumour mongering about Tiger and drug use is a bit boring, and one of those things people, who don't like his extra curricular shenanigans and propensity to emit invective occasionally, use to further their case. His strengths are/have been in the past, his abilities with his long and middle irons, streaky great putting, an excellent short game, and mental fortitude of the highest order, none of which are really greatly enhanced by drug use. But so what?
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I strongly disagree about the top golfers "overdoing" it with fitness, gaining muscle etc. I think it's easy to get a skewed view of tiger in terms of his muscle development over the years. As a certified fitness trainer, I've seen a ton of people make similar gains over years of hard work and dedication. What's more, Tiger is 6-1 and listed between 180-200lbs...that's really nothing to dramatic is it? Sure he's in great shape and looks big...he has great genetics and works his butt off. But I personally think its an absurd claim to even bring any sort of illegal supplements into the discussion or pointing towards his development being a disadvantage. These guys are all professionally trained now a days, they don't ignore flexibility. I guarantee you if he's lost flexibility it's due to age and injury histories versus putting on "too much mass".
Furthermore, discounting the strength of guys like Jack, Daly and Arnie is silly. They were and are big, powerful guys. Sure they had fat, which probably makes it easy to assume they are weak...but I really don't think that was the case at all. Jack is what, 5-11? In his prime he looked to be at least pushing the 200 mark, I bet you he was extremely strong back then as well.
Furthermore, discounting the strength of guys like Jack, Daly and Arnie is silly. They were and are big, powerful guys. Sure they had fat, which probably makes it easy to assume they are weak...but I really don't think that was the case at all. Jack is what, 5-11? In his prime he looked to be at least pushing the 200 mark, I bet you he was extremely strong back then as well.
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Many doctors are starting to state that intense training by children and teens can cause major overuse injuries as adults. Tiger woods has been banging thousands of balls a week since early childhood. it is really not that rare in such a singularly focused pursuit of a sport that a person would damage developing joints and ligaments. Orthopedic surgeons are seeing younger and younger athletes on the operating table with overuse injuries due to extreme training.
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So P90x won't make me look like Tiger?
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actually...it very well could. Am I missing something here? The guy is a very-toned yet not extraordinarily muscular person by most means...especially for a professional athlete. If you're 6-1, with a reasonable build, you'll probably have very similar size/weight proportions as him...the rest is up to your diet and training.
I've seen those studies. I don't think it's the intense training as much as it is the early specialization of young athletes. Because they are specializing in one sport year round, they expose themselves to overuse injuries and imbalances because they're performing the same movement patterns over and over again, unlike back in the day when kids played multiple sports much more often; new season, new sport, new movement patterns created a much more physically balanced athlete.
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