Rickie or Dustin?

[Kevin Shields]

I'll let more knowledgeable people weigh in here, but I'll just say this: Rickie's release is extremely centrifugal. Under pressure, that's less reliable than a release that is more centripetal.

Someone's been doing the reading. Where did you pick this up? And who says its more or less reliable? I thought people choke, not swings.

 

[natep]

I'd like to know how many tournaments and majors have been won by guys with "centrifugal" releases. Probably upwards of 90%.

 

[Lindsey Newman]

I think unorthodox goes beyond the 'idiosyncratic movement' and more into the realm of very different from the norm. Furyk's swing is unorthodox because just don't see many people with that type of swing. Adam Scott? There are a lot of players with similar swings. In fact, Scott has been accused of copying Tiger's swing during the butch Harmon years.

I don't find anythign unusual or daring about calling Fowler's swing unorthodox because it is unorthodox. I think a lot of this is just the fear of people interpreting unorthodox as being 'wrong' or 'bad.' It's not that either.

I treat 'unorthodox' as something that most people cannot do consistently. and if they are having trouble with their swing, one needs to figure out if the unorthodox parts are causing them trouble. If so...fix it. If not...find the real culprit.

It's easy to see why people get brainwashed into thinking unorthodox = bad because that's the general way 'method' instructors teach. Something differs from what they interpret as orthodox, they change it regardless if it is causing the problems or not.

Having a 'model' can be useful in helping improve golfers. It just depends on how the teacher uses the model.
3JACK

I think we are kind of saying the same thing and it's more semantics about the use of the word orthodox. I don't see how under rotating the wedge until late (timing) makes a swing unorthodox and nor do I see that bowing a left wrist as opposed to cupping or flat being unorthodox. To me those are just showbiz. To me unorthodox is Furyks grip or Steve Jones grip. Another example would be a cross handed grip on anything but a putter.

 

[Lifter]

Can you please enlighten me on the difference between a centrifugal release and a centripetal release and how you determine which type a golfer uses?

Centripetal: Post-impact clubhead path moves significantly to the left. "Swinging left" as Brian would say. Hoganesque. Robert Allenbyesque.

Centrifugal" Post-impact clubhead path is very down-the-line. "Hitting to right field." Promotes more of a draw. More timing dependent.

 

[Richie3Jack]

I'd like to know how many tournaments and majors have been won by guys with "centrifugal" releases. Probably upwards of 90%.

I personally feel that's incorrect. Look at the swings before graphite shafts became popular.







3JACK

 

[Lifter]

Someone's been doing the reading. Where did you pick this up? And who says its more or less reliable? I thought people choke, not swings.

John Erickson

 

[Richie3Jack]

I think we are kind of saying the same thing and it's more semantics about the use of the word orthodox. I don't see how under rotating the wedge until late (timing) makes a swing unorthodox and nor do I see that bowing a left wrist as opposed to cupping or flat being unorthodox. To me those are just showbiz. To me unorthodox is Furyks grip or Steve Jones grip. Another example would be a cross handed grip on anything but a putter.

Fowler actualy rotates it in the opposite direction. Not done very much by golfers. That makes it unorthodox. His clubhead is well outside his hands on the takeaway. Unorthodox. Then he re-directs the entire wedge with a very steep shaft plane....unorthodox.




3JACK

 

[faux_maestro]

John Erickson

Wikipedia.....

 

[Lindsey Newman]

Fowler actualy rotates it in the opposite direction. Not done very much by golfers. That makes it unorthodox. His clubhead is well outside his hands on the takeaway. Unorthodox. Then he re-directs the entire wedge with a very steep shaft plane....unorthodox.
3JACK

Furyk, Perry, Clarke, Nick Price, Jay Haas are just some of the many players with the clubhead outside their hands in the takeaway. Many, many other greats have gone from very steep to shallow. I just don't agree as you don't with me. All good.

 

[Richie3Jack]

Furyk, Perry, Clarke, Nick Price, Jay Haas are just some of the many players with the clubhead outside their hands in the takeaway. Many, many other greats have gone from very steep to shallow. I just don't agree as you don't with me. All good.

Unorthodox doesn't mean completely unique to itself. It means 'breaking convention or tradition' And some have taken the clubhead outside in the takeaway, but out of the ones you mention, outside of Haas (whose swing I haven't looked at in over 15 years), none of them take it to the extreme that Rickie does.






3JACK

 

[Lindsey Newman]

Unorthodox doesn't mean completely unique to itself. It means 'breaking convention or tradition' And some have taken the clubhead outside in the takeaway, but out of the ones you mention, outside of Haas (whose swing I haven't looked at in over 15 years), none of them take it to the extreme that Rickie does.






3JACK

Ok, so back to original question. And let's just use the takeaway as the example. What is orthodox?

 

[Shot Limit]

Centripetal: Post-impact clubhead path moves significantly to the left. "Swinging left" as Brian would say. Hoganesque. Robert Allenbyesque.

Centrifugal" Post-impact clubhead path is very down-the-line. "Hitting to right field." Promotes more of a draw. More timing dependent.

Thanks Lift.

 

[Richie3Jack]

Ok, so back to original question. And let's just use the takeaway as the example. What is orthodox?

There are many variations different people tend to employ. I will say that it's either no rotation or a clockwise rotation of the LAFW. Whereas Rickie utilizes a counter clockwise rotation.



3JACK