Ryder Cup Analysis by Brian Manzella

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LOUISVILLE, KENTUCKY

Twelve Plus One Equals Sixteen and a Half

by Brian Manzella

What two thousand outnumbered european fans started in 1987 at Muirfield Village Golf Club, came back to haunt the 2008 European Ryder Cup team at Valhalla Golf Club in Louisville, Kentucky at the 37th match.

Buoyed by the unprecedented vocal support of the "thirteenth" man of the bluegrass state's rabid sports fans, the underdog American team soundly defeated the dazed dozen from across the pond 16 1/2 to 11 1/2.

Led by the unlikeliest of heros—Boo Weekley, he of redneck, RedMan, and red numbers—the Yanks started fast, and finished strong to take the cup back to the USA for the first time in nine years.

The red, white and blue team finally out-putted the Euros, and the toughness encouraged by victorious captain Paul Azinger, was evident throughout.

Eschewing the usual Saturday night cry session behind team doors, Azinger had his players ready to play hard, loose and to the home crowd.

Lee Westwood, obviously forgetting the gamesmanship and crowd enticing antics the euros have successfully employed since the days of Seve Ballesteros, and continued by fellow Spaniard Sergio Garcia, complained that he was "abused" the the Kentucky fans.

Quite simply, what happened was some of the putts that have fell for the euros for the last few "Cups," just burned the edges, and the USA's fresh faces, including Weekley, Anthony Kim, and J.B. Holmes, just refused to get bum-rushed like the Tiger-whipped generation one their senior has.

But at the end of the day it was the fans. They came in record numbers well over the official number of 40,000. Tired of watching their boys lose, living in a sports crazy town with no pro sport teams and no regular Tour events, they were encouraged at a pre-match pep rally to be the "13th man." Super-charged by having two of their own, Holmes and fellow Kentuckian Kenny Perry, playing for their country, they shouted for the home team, chanted over the Ole-Ole-ers, and pumped up the six US rookies to play to their maximum capabilities with all the gusto of a college "Game Day" crowd.

The Euros will try to shame the American fans they way they successfully scared the players who celebrated the '99 Justin Leonard putt, but the reality is, they just got out played, out-putted, and counter-cheered for all the Oles since Muirrfield.

:D

So I take it you condone personal abuse directed towards players and green invasions during a match still in progress ?

I have asked this on other forums and not been given an answer, has any American Ryder Cup player had to endure any personal abuse during a match ? I'm find that chants of "Ole, ole, ole" are just as annoying as the "USA, USA" thing, and pretty much cancel each other out. However, once again an element of American fans just can't help themselves. Westwood had insults about his mother shouted at him, and I know at least 2 players (Casey and Jimenez) had people shouting out during putts.

What can you expect when Azinger was urging the crowd at the pep rally to cheer when Europe missed a putt ? Not cheer when America win a hole, but cheer when Europe miss; classy. Maybe he should have taken a leaf out of Payne Stewart's book, who was one of the only Americans to show some class at Brookline when he conceded to Montgomerie due to being so embarassed by the abuse hurled at Monty during the match (but hey, that was probably OK too because you won that Cup as well).

I hope to be there in person in 2010, and will be interested to see if I am missing something regarding the European fans behaviour.
 

Brian Manzella

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So I take it you condone personal abuse directed towards players and green invasions during a match still in progress ?

I have asked this on other forums and not been given an answer, has any American Ryder Cup player had to endure any personal abuse during a match ? I'm find that chants of "Ole, ole, ole" are just as annoying as the "USA, USA" thing, and pretty much cancel each other out. However, once again an element of American fans just can't help themselves. Westwood had insults about his mother shouted at him, and I know at least 2 players (Casey and Jimenez) had people shouting out during putts.

What can you expect when Azinger was urging the crowd at the pep rally to cheer when Europe missed a putt ? Not cheer when America win a hole, but cheer when Europe miss; classy. Maybe he should have taken a leaf out of Payne Stewart's book, who was one of the only Americans to show some class at Brookline when he conceded to Montgomerie due to being so embarassed by the abuse hurled at Monty during the match (but hey, that was probably OK too because you won that Cup as well).

I hope to be there in person in 2010, and will be interested to see if I am missing something regarding the European fans behaviour.

Nobody likes to lose, do they?
 

Brian Manzella

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Benstone,

It was a good old-fashioned arse-kickin'

Plain and Simple.

To blame it on the fans—there are fans for and against you at every big event—seems a little babyish.
 
So I take it you condone personal abuse directed towards players and green invasions during a match still in progress ?

Personal abuse? Get a grip. Westwood was no more abused than you would be if I called you a crybaby.

I have asked this on other forums and not been given an answer, has any American Ryder Cup player had to endure any personal abuse during a match ?

If they truly endured we wouldn't know about it. To endure is to persevere, to suffer patiently without yielding - not to run to nearest microphone and make excuses.

What can you expect when Azinger was urging the crowd at the pep rally to cheer when Europe missed a putt ?

Am I missing something :confused: - cheering a missed putt is not equivalent to hoping the putt is missed.
 
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I'm told the Euro fans fashioned a song for every player that stepped onto the 1st T. The only one I heard was for Ian Poulter; sung to the tune of "Walking in the Winter Wonderland" Substitute "poulter" for the word "Wonder" as in Poulterwonderland. It was funny to hear. The Euro fans were definitely the most creative and fun loving.
 

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In the post round news conferences, when asked, the Euro's mentioned the bad fan behavior which, in their opinion, over the line - specifically about 3 instances of fans trying to wake them up by ringing their phones through the night, and 2 oncourse disturbances.

Westwood did say this, and notice the bolded part:

All of the abuse that I got was fairly nasty, and that was pretty shameful. That was only a minority, and the crowds were great. I expected them to get behind the American Team, which they did, but some people don't know the difference between supporting their team and abusing the opposition team, which is unfortunate.
 
Blaming the fans for not playing well is ridiculous. The euros did not putt like they have in the past, plain and simple. The ryder cup is a putting match. I can't believe Westwood or Jiminez would have made more putts if the fans were more polite. It is the atmosphere, if it wasn't like that, no one would care. In the 70's, they didn't even televise these matches, some of the players refused invites so they could go hunting. (Weiskopf). It is the best event in golf, because of the fans, both the good ones and bad ones.
 
Blaming the fans for not playing well is ridiculous. The euros did not putt like they have in the past, plain and simple. The ryder cup is a putting match. I can't believe Westwood or Jiminez would have made more putts if the fans were more polite.

Maybe they would if they had got a proper nights sleep......:(
 
C'mon guys.....

A few fans were idiots, a few to many beers etc etc for the number of people that were there it's a minority and will always happen to an extent. Marshalls should boot out abusive fans, but not patriotic ones....

The USA putted/played a bit better, great idea by Azinger with the "mini" teams within the team...

I would however say that the US of A would not have won if Tiger had played

I have no reason other than pure gut feeling :p
 
I also think Westwood has been whinging abit too much on this. When the cup is in Europe the supporters are just as boistourous. Not sure if that's correct spelling.
 
No controversy in this post (I think).

The media raved over Poulter, but from what I saw on sky -- Karlsson was an impressive "terminator" and would have beaten AK or Boo (maybe). I watched the matches on Sky and am perhaps a victim of "fair and balanced" UK coverage. As an American, I thought it hilarious that the Sky group got peeved with Butch Harmon when he celebrated Hunter Mahan's PUTT on 17. Great event, and I hope the quality of golf remains as high in Wales.

steve
 
It was hard for me to pull for either team because of the Captains. I do not care for Azinger or Faldo. Both have made comments over the years that I do not care for.
 
Lee wasnt blaming the crowds. He said that the USA won fair and square. He just thought some of the things said were out of line.

I think we have to accept that there are always a minority who act inappropriately and spoil it for others. It happens not just in the USA but here aswell. Football fans should know that.

Best moment of the week for me was Boo 'riding' his driver down the 1st. Quality!
 

dbl

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One comment about the tv coverage...with 12 matches they didn't show every shot, and often would only move to a scene for a "putt to win the hole" but not the preceding putts or even shots. Overall we missed a lot of golf. So it was not the same style tv production compared to the Saturday offerings.

Boo riding his driver was shown "after the fact" as I recall, way after.
 
Sunday coverage was very poorfrom SKY could have leaset showed the latter matches opening tee shots and yes the Boo Weekley riding the driver was only showed in slow motion for some reason.

On another matter was it ever discussed on US coverage why Paul Azinger was talking to Boo Weekley's caddy on abot the 7th hole on Saturday in his match against Westwood and Soren Hansen. All the commentators over here stated it was to tell Boo to stop geeing up the crowd. I don't believe this though.

Finally AK and Poulter had a strong exchange of words on the Saturday when Kenny Perry knocked it stiff on 15.
 
Man, what a bunch of bellyaching... geez Louise, you would think Europeans would think that the heckling golfers received was nothing, compared to what they do to each other at soccer games.

The american's whipped their ass, just like the europeans have been whipping our ass the last few years. It happens, and there should be no excuse on either side.

I don't care what fans do or say, you have to put that stuff aside and play golf. Unless benstone is saying the european players are so mentally soft, they can't play through some stupid fans heckling them some.
 
I wasn't there but....

I watched this one as intently as the last one. To me, da Euros have become a bit spoiled by their recent reign

I seem to remember the Euro fans being pumped up and urged on by their players. I kept thinking...wait until you guys get to America. Well, what went around came around. SMACK! Wake up! As Brian said...Ya's started it.

US..US US of a, us.. us us of a!!


Seriously...I love the atmosphere. I'd like to see a bit more of it in other venues. One thjing I got to do before I die...attend Phoenix.
 
Funny,
I don't remember any of this discussion after the previous Cup in Ireland, where by all accounts, everyone had a good time and were well received...
The fact that this is being reported at all is an indication that it may have been a bit over the top.....

And, by the way, this is not soccer, it is golf....big difference in the standards set by the supporters....
 
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