Ryder Cup Analysis by Brian Manzella

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pecky987

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puttmad said:
Funny,
I don't remember any of this discussion after the previous Cup in Ireland, where by all accounts, everyone had a good time and were well received...
The fact that this is being reported at all is an indication that it may have been a bit over the top.....

And, by the way, this is not soccer, it is golf....big difference in the standards set by the supporters....
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please let it go

they beat us

we basically sucked. they out played us totally.

quit trying to take higher ground and be all snobby. get over it. i'd be lieing if i said i wasnt bothered about losing, but it aint all that important.

golf is an idividual sport, not a team sport
 
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rcw

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Most of it is just whining. But, I have to agree. Asking for people to cheer
when the Europeans missed shots is poor sportsmanship, it just is.
You do not have to do it.

Other than that, Boo was fine, he was great on all days. He is great for golf. We don't have to baby these people. And the whole US team played extrordinary golf. Best I think I have seen. Great for golf, especially while Tiger is out.

Go USA!!!
 
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lia41985

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Why did Kostis say those things? Most likely because his meal ticket, Casey, is bitching about what may or may not have happened and this is his way of "showing support".
 
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Deadly_Scope

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I really couldn't care less about the ryder cup however there is a particular problem with regards to American spectators.

I have attended almost all the British opens since Justin Leonard won in troon. Over the years I have watched American spectators increasingly become more audible at inappropriate times. Even when someone is driving off on a long par 5 that is 500+ yards, I have heard "Get in the hole" in that all too familiar American accent.

I don't mind enthusiasm if it is in its correct place and time. However, I think it undermines the charm of the game and it goes against the intense pressure filled atmosphere which the game should have.
 
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lia41985

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Let's assume that golf is a sport.

By that assumption, let's hold it to the same standards as other sports--specifically team sports.

Would you say these things about an Ohio State vs. Michigan college football game? A Manchester United vs. Chelsea game? No? Well how in the hell is it different for a game that's played every two years between the same teams?

I mean, really?

Wow, your telling me that players were being bombarded with crank calls in the middle of the night? Entirely unexpected...how not sporting! HOW ABOUT YOU UNPLUG THE DAMN PHONE!
 
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moorejr12

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I do not care for either Capt. The US has been pretty ugly in the past and so have the Europeans ( Savey sp). The spirit of the competition has almost been eliminated by both sides.
 
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lia41985

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The spirit of the competition? So it's a competition right? Teams are competing against one another. Trying to beat each other, and all that? Has that been lost? Apparently not because the competition has become more heated. That's a good thing. That hasn't been lost and that's key. That's the essential component of any competition--two sides wanting to beat each other. That's all you need. This romanticized notion of golf being a gentleman's game is silly. People have a lot of idealized notions about the old days, be it in golf or anything else. Get real.

The Europeans don't want to go down this road of having the competition be more "in your face". Why? Well because the U.S. has a core group of guys that just bring it when things get heated--Holmes, Kim, and Mahan. Bubba, WHEN he gets on the team (not if), will bring it as well. Who have the Europeans got that bring it? Sergio, Casey, and Poulter perhaps? They're outnumbered as far as attitude goes.

These next few Ryder Cups are going to be fun to watch. The U.S. will be doing a lot more winning or at the very least the matches will consistently be much closer, and therefore, better to watch. Competition. It's wonderful. Quit the belly aching and get back to trying to kick ass.
 
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golfer24

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One thing i did notice is that Garcia and Poulter were seen clearly using the F word in very exaggerated ways after holing putts. Didn't see anyone else do this. Was this really necessary when they must have realised the cameras would be on them.
 
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Brian Manzella

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Jared Lee and Ronald Winfrey.

Jared Lee and Ronald Winfrey are both quarterbacks. One, the new starter for #5 LSU, the other, a playground legend from the 'Hood.

What do they have to do with the Ryder Cup?

Well, it goes like this:

Jared Lee has been on the LSU campus for a year and a couple of months. From what I'd seen and heard, he couldn't play dead in a war movie. After two games against teams LSU could have beaten by more points with Winfrey at QB, Lee looked like Matt Lauer at Torey Pines—great in the uniform, horrible on the scoreboard.

In the toughest of tough spots on the road for the Fightin' Tigers, Lee entered the game for five passes in the first half of the nationally televised bitter rivalry, on Ryder Cup Saturday night.

While Westwood was crying over tea, every LSU Tiger fan in the country— including me and Lisa at BW3 in Looeyville—was crying over their beers. Or Diet Cokes. ;)

Jared Lee went 0 for 5, with one interception returned for a touchdown. Halftime score: Plainsmen/Tigers/War Eagles 14, ellesshuu 3. :(

When Lee went back in the game in the second half because starter Andrew Hatch looked as wobbly-kneed as Sonny Liston, 80,000 enemy fans from Auburn jeered, and 10,000 LSU fans booed.

So what?

So Lee went out and played the game of his life and the real Tigers won 26-21.

Lee and the Tiger nation celebrated while Westwood's phone rang of hook, interrupting his sobbing. :rolleyes:

Ronald Winfrey had a habit of calling you STOOPID if you played like it, and could get in any weak minded opponent—or teammates—head, as well as anyone who ever lived.

So what?

So, he got razed back, even louder.

But Brian, its football, on the sandlot!

But, that's not the point.

The point is Ronald Winfrey and the hundreds of Norman Playgrounders over the years played hard, trash-talked harder, and hugged after every game.

He, and all the Norman all-stars were the EPITOME of "sportsmenship."

Try to knock the guys block off during the game, and share a drink after.

Ronald LOVED to win. But I never heard him complain if he lost either.

The Ryder Cup is ALL OUT WAR, folks. As far "out there" as a golf event gets. Its why we watch and why we debate after.

All that "golf-like" behavior we see in other events are why without Tiger, Norman playground games would have more viewers.

"Everyman for hisself, and Gawd for us all" —George "Jelly" Reno, world-class golf gambler, green-reader, and SPORTSMEN. :cool:
 
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This complaining is funny. In the 70's you could not give away a ryder cup ticket. Now, it is the hottest ticket in golf, the PGA makes a fortune from it and it attracts non-golfers. None of these professionals complain about all the money in the game. That money is there because Tiger has elevated the game to interest a lot of people that do not play the game. They have no idea about etiquette. Go to a major, and see all the people who run, talk, make all kind of noise and generally are clueless. Eliminate all of them and the purses will be $300,000 again. No one visiting this website would ever do anything like cheering bad shots.. we are golfers. The general fan is not and knows little about the game. Lee Westwood and Paul Casey make millions playing a game, they should be ashamed of blaming poor play on boorish spectators. Why does'nt professionalism matter anymore? Smile, say well done and prepare to kick butt next time.
 
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golfer24 said:
One thing i did notice is that Garcia and Poulter were seen clearly using the F word in very exaggerated ways after holing putts. Didn't see anyone else do this. Was this really necessary when they must have realised the cameras would be on them.
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Ah. This is why I really don't like Tiger. He is a role model to tons of kids
and acts like this. When he holed that putt at Torrey on 18 he was clearly
yelling "F*** Yah!!!!" I still don't think he is aware of the responsibility he
holds. Jack never reacted like this when making crucial putts. Neither did
any other great players. Did you see what Rocco did when he made that birdie on I think 15 or 16. He just reacted like Ah, I just got lucky. He
wasn't over there letting explicits fly. I agree with Johnny Miller that golf
is somewhat becoming Smackdown Golf. Whatever happened to etiquitte
or being a gentleman? I hope these ways change.
 
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Did the Euros blame their losses on the crowds or did they just complain about their behaviour? because that's 2 different things.
 
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Notorious B.E.N. said:
Ah. This is why I really don't like Tiger. He is a role model to tons of kids
and acts like this. When he holed that putt at Torrey on 18 he was clearly
yelling "F*** Yah!!!!" I still don't think he is aware of the responsibility he
holds. Jack never reacted like this when making crucial putts. Neither did
any other great players. Did you see what Rocco did when he made that birdie on I think 15 or 16. He just reacted like Ah, I just got lucky. He
wasn't over there letting explicits fly. I agree with Johnny Miller that golf
is somewhat becoming Smackdown Golf. Whatever happened to etiquitte
or being a gentleman? I hope these ways change.
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Those days ended with the advent of Michael Jordan, ESPN, cable TV and the internet. Everything is an in your face highlight film. Golf is now very big business. Ratings and personal branding rule. Look what it did for McEnroe. A total jerk on the court he continues to get TV time, commericals, etc. 20 years after he retired.
 
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benstone

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If the Ryder Cup is all out war and anything goes, then should we expect to hear racial or religious based abuse directed towards players in the future ? Insults about their children, possibly dead relatives ? Hey, it is all about getting an advantage and "getting in their heads", so it must be fine. Where on earth do you draw the line, because I just don't get it ?
If you want to make a comparison with football crowds, then this is what you are talking about, possibly along with a dash of Neo Nazism for good measure. If you are going to talk football crowds, then at least understand what it is you are talking about, otherwise it is best to leave well alone. People have died on the football terraces of Europe, and I would like to believe that nobody here wants to see that.
The Ryder Cup is certainly a heated environment, but surely there has to be a limit? I enjoy the chanting and banter between the sets of fans and have no problem with Boo, Sergio, Kim or Poulter geeing the fans up, but this is still golf and it shouldn't be compared to other team sports. The last time I saw Liverpool or Chelsea play there wasn't a marshall standing there with a "Quite Please" sign.
There is no excuse for fans from either side to try and disturb a player's swing/putt or to direct personal abuse at a player, and as for the calling hotel rooms during the night thing, get a life ! After the debacle at Brookline things seemed to have gone back to being a bit more sensible, but the idiot element were back this year. Whether Europe won or lost, this is still the case and worth commenting on. The idiot element should just emulate the players who play with passion but keep things civil, or is that too much to ask ?
 
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Brian Manzella

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benstone said:
After the debacle at Brookline things seemed to have gone back to being a bit more sensible...
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The Euros whined over the supposedly trampling of the line of putt—which NEVER happened.

I am sure Monty has heard worse than Westwood heard, and he just used it as fuel.

The answer is winning—not whining.

Trust me.
 
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