Ryder Cup Analysis by Brian Manzella

[nwb]

Whilst those of you on the American Team's side have every right to boast and brag as you played much better than the Euro boys, some of the comments in this thread are unfair.

In all the press and interviews I have seen, NO Euro player has blamed the crowd for them losing the Ryder cup. They have all said that the Americans played better. The away team whinging about the crowds has happened in every Ryder cup I have seen since 89.

 

[benstone]

The Euros whined over the supposedly trampling of the line of putt—which NEVER happened.

I am sure Monty has heard worse than Westwood heard, and he just used it as fuel.

The answer is winning—not whining.

Trust me.

To say that winning absolves you from any blame is an arguement that is weaker than American beer. If you think that what went on at Brookline was OK, then I can only laugh because you have GOT to be joking.

 

[dashfan87]

To say that winning absolves you from any blame is an arguement that is weaker than American beer. If you think that what went on at Brookline was OK, then I can only laugh because you have GOT to be joking.

The only thing your right about is our beer.

 

[pecky987]

the way i see it, is brian et al, who supported america, are going to say that the fans had nothing to do with it.

the europe fans are going to say that the fans berated the players which cause adverse effects on their play.

i think brian is part right, and part wrong, and others are also part right.

the fans clearly had some effect on the players, and as a golfer, i personally think that cheering and celebrating when there is a bad shot played is a little too much. i know gamemanship is a part of golf, but there is a limit.

having said that, the americans were absoultly the better team. they played better in ever department. but there are always gonna be people who hate losing, im one of them, and theywill look for any reason to blame their defeat on.

 

[dashfan87]

the way i see it, is brian et al, who supported america, are going to say that the fans had nothing to do with it.

the europe fans are going to say that the fans berated the players which cause adverse effects on their play.

i think brian is part right, and part wrong, and others are also part right.

the fans clearly had some effect on the players, and as a golfer, i personally think that cheering and celebrating when there is a bad shot played is a little too much. i know gamemanship is a part of golf, but there is a limit.

having said that, the americans were absoultly the better team. they played better in ever department. but there are always gonna be people who hate losing, im one of them, and theywill look for any reason to blame their defeat on.

Golf has always been viewed as a "gentleman's game" one that should be played with class, and the utmost respect, even to your opponent. Other sports don't come close to that kind of gamesmanship.
That being said, everything changes, and the more and more popularized the Ryder cup becomes, the worse it will get. Shoot, I was at a Champions Tour event down here at TPC Tampa bay not too long ago, and I couldn't believe how respectful the masses were, and how absolutely abhorrent the few were that were causing disruptions. Bottom line, This was held in America, The mass of the fans there were American, and there are going to be some, that are out of control. but they are far from the mass and they will always be their as long as the sport continues to be popular.

Now as far as the actual players... I think the Europeans are a tad more traditional, and it just really, really, really comes out when they lose or are losing.(however they lose tact, by not losing with class) Like what happened with the whole Boo ordeal. That to me was just Westwood being fed up with being beat by a country bumpkin and the final straw was the celebration. The Euros did some celebration of their own at the K club...

 

[Burner]

Did the Euros blame their losses on the crowds or did they just complain about their behaviour? because that's 2 different things.

From what I have seen on TV, heard afterwards and then read, the Euros were not blaming the crowds because they lost.

They just bemoaned an overall lack of etiquette that seems to be creeping into the game; at all levels in my opinion let alone the Ryder Cup where better might be expected irrespective of the venue.

Win, lose or draw, there is no excuse for disrespecting your opponents and lowering the tone of an, otherwise, excellent sporting contest in the process.

Nationality does not really come into the argument as we all have to suffer our share of idiots, who multiply in direct proportion to the amount of Beer they consume but cannot handle.

 

[puttmad]

the way i see it, is brian et al, who supported america, are going to say that the fans had nothing to do with it.

the europe fans are going to say that the fans berated the players which cause adverse effects on their play.

i think brian is part right, and part wrong, and others are also part right.

the fans clearly had some effect on the players, and as a golfer, i personally think that cheering and celebrating when there is a bad shot played is a little too much. i know gamemanship is a part of golf, but there is a limit.

ER, That's about what i said earlier and you said:

"please let it go

they beat us

we basically sucked. they out played us totally.

quit trying to take higher ground and be all snobby. get over it. i'd be lieing if i said i wasnt bothered about losing, but it aint all that important."

What you on Pecky?.....

 

[pecky987]

ER, That's about what i said earlier and you said:

"please let it go

they beat us

we basically sucked. they out played us totally.

quit trying to take higher ground and be all snobby. get over it. i'd be lieing if i said i wasnt bothered about losing, but it aint all that important."

What you on Pecky?.....

in the first post i was commenting on how you were trying to take a snobbish, upper ground, look-down-nose-at-american view you were taking. the next thread i was putting forward my own views

 

[puttmad]

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in the first post i was commenting on how you were trying to take a snobbish, upper ground, look-down-nose-at-american view you were taking. the next thread i was putting forward my own views

So I said "over the top" and you said, "a little too much" and I'm a snob and you are one of the good ol' boys.....

FOMCL (fell off my chair laughing).....

 

[pecky987]

So I said "over the top" and you said, "a little too much" and I'm a snob and you are one of the good ol' boys.....

FOMCL (fell off my chair laughing).....

but at the same time i was accepting that the crowd were definitley acceptable, to an extent. from what i gathered from your post was that you were whining a little because we lost and were looking for excuses

 

[puttmad]

but at the same time i was accepting that the crowd were definitley acceptable, to an extent. from what i gathered from your post was that you were whining a little because we lost and were looking for excuses

Sorry mate you are way off base....I don't give a damn who won or lost to be honest, that is not my bag....personally I think it is a good thing for the Ryder Cup as it has generated more American interest (which by all acounts was waning) it it for the future.....

It should now be a little more interesting in the future cups.....

 

[birdie_man]

Ya gotta expect some of that stuff in an event like TRC.................I don't know what Westwood expected.........

The USA chants are gonna happen. And as for the more direct, personal heckling.........taking in all accounts, it sounded like it was only a few isolated instances anyway.

I'm not a big "trash talker" (not a Muhammad Ali by any stretch) but I can handle it when things get heated. To me, sometimes it can actually help when people hang everything out cause then I know it's really on 100%.........and I don't have to worry about holding back anymore.

There's a certain line you do not cross but it's gonna get heated out there no doubt.....and some people are gonna end up crossing the line.

Where the line is I don't know. It depends on the person. A lot of this comes down to "styles", per-se.

Different styles of people, different perceptions.

At least if you recognize and understand this you probably will be less prone to getting mad at the differences.

 

[birdie_man]

BTW golf needs way more team events. I don't get how the popularity of these things hasn't translated to there being more of them.

People say "golf is a solitary sport"...........

Bah...........ya sure- traditionally.......and presently. (and- mostly)

Who says anything is written in stone.

More team golf!

More hype.......more fun.......more human interaction.........more rivalry.........etc.

P.S.

More match-play also.

And it's fun to watch the match ups. And if nothing else is fun just for a CHANGE. I say they need to mix it up some........it would be interesting to see who thrives too. Why should you be limited by formats?

I for one am a better match play player.