Shallow swing arc

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Brian Manzella

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As I have traveled arond the worl the last couple of years, I am AMAZED at the amount of golfers who fixed themselves with NHA2 or NSA2 or Ideas.

Just as amazed by the amount of TEACHERS who use the stuff to pay their car notes, mortages and kids education. ;)
 
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I have to say, that would make me sick!

Just look on twatter and listen to guys who would have been washing cars spouting about their "expertise" and sometimes even coaching at a high level when all they have done is picked up a few good ideas from the net, bought some nice shiny golf slacks and put themselves out there on the range as "available for lessons". Turns my stomach.

And ever noticed not how EVERYONE is now a golf researcher! LMAOROFL
 
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No golf pro is educated enough to do actual research—maybe Chris Como, who has done some with Kwon, but that's it.

What these folks are talking about is "study"......I've done a lot of study. You can TRY to make it LOOK more like research, but you couldn't get it published in the St.Mark's Elementary School 5th Grade Journal.
 
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So, regarding gathering up the marbles - at what point are you crossing the line and flipping? What is the limit of releasing the hands and shallowing the swing path?

In my mind, you have to keep a flat left wrist through impact, so you are releasing the wrist hinge as much as possible, fully releasing near impact.

I know there are more complicated terminologies such as ulnar deviation, but I'm trying to keep this simple.
 
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jewofgolf said:
So, regarding gathering up the marbles - at what point are you crossing the line and flipping? What is the limit of releasing the hands and shallowing the swing path?

In my mind, you have to keep a flat left wrist through impact, so you are releasing the wrist hinge as much as possible, fully releasing near impact.

I know there are more complicated terminologies such as ulnar deviation, but I'm trying to keep this simple.
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That is a good question! I think I am borderline. Sometimes okay, sometimes a little flip. I guess it all depends on whether you get your hands in front of the ball , over the ball or even behind the ball when the club bottoms out.

Question is how do I control that without handle dragging? I guess the flip happens when your hands fall behind. Am I on the right path?
 
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Brian Manzella

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You are ADDING ARCH on the way to impact, just past the middle of the right leg you are beginning to RAPID LOSE THAT ARCH and go toward bent.

You can't do it too fast....but you can do it too early.
 
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jewofgolf

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That makes sense Brian. So, let's say you wait long enough to let the arch "go". At impact, you should still have a flat left wrist, right? Is the point that if you wait long enough, you CAN'T get to impact WITHOUT a flat left wrist (even if you are letting that arch go as fast as you can)?
 
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wulsy

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Arched = bowed.

But talking about flipping now is now soooooo 90s. ;) People need to get with the programme - the flip is dead, long live the flick!
 
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jewofgolf

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wulsy said:
Arched = bowed.

But talking about flipping now is now soooooo 90s. ;) People need to get with the programme - the flip is dead, long live the flick!
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I don't know if you are being serious or not, but the "flick" is still not flipping...the way I understand it. My viewpoint is that people started handle dragging to avoid flipping, and now we realize we don't need that much angle at impact, especially as we now want to hit up on the driver.

All of this leads to what brian said...you still want to be in a slightly bowed position at impact, downward strike...but how we get there (our understanding of it) is different. I think you can still delay a flip and the move is different from "gathering up the marbles". Delaying the flip is essentially being pretty steep and hanging on for dear life until after impact where the flip happens. The proper shallow move doesn't have to have the left wrist break down - after impact a rolling motion happens (nevermind relaxing your hand to avoid stress on joints).
 
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wulsy

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I didn't want to imply the flick = the flip. There are subtle differences between the two for sure.

But, a question for Brian, is the term flip not dead in the water?
 
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Brian Manzella

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A flip is a movement at the wrists that does NOT LINE THE CLUB UP PROPERLY AT IMAPCT in the direction of aded loft and too far back low point, amoung other things.

A flick is this:

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Brian Manzella

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Very arched pre-impact———starting to radipidly move toward bent pre-impact—still slightly arched AT imapct———bent after.
 
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jewofgolf

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Brian, in tiger's stills, it looks like instead of letting the left wrist bend (bubba is just relaxing the hand, not actually flipping), he uses a really hard rotation and the wrist stays flat longer.

Can you talk about this difference? In my mind, it's probably because tiger lives underplane but rotates hard, while bubba probably starts clubface rotation sooner and more gradually.
 
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