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shootin4par
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Guys, try just focusing on maintaining spine angle, then you dont have to try and step on to left foot, throw knees towards right field or fart for a latteral hip bump. when you load into your rear side, which if you loose spine angle you will loose all your load, but when you load into that rear side it is automatic to unload into your front side. If you coil up a spring and just let it go, it does what? Uncoil. in baseball what do they say, here is the wind up, and the pitch.
baseball players dont think of getting to their left side, the wind up makes them get to their left side.
baseball players dont think of getting to their left side, the wind up makes them get to their left side.
Well, the baseball player lifts his foot off the ground, which makes the transition clearer. In a golf swing it's easier (in my opinion) to leave some weight on the back foot. The trick (to me) seems to be to maintain your spine angle and balance while hitting off the left leg.shootin4par said:
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shootin4par
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does putting the left foot down cause you to push off your right leg, or does pushing off of your right leg cause you to put your left foot down?
load into the right side and you should push off automatically
load into the right side and you should push off automatically
I find that pushing/throwing the clubhead down/out on a straight plane line is the cause of transference of weight to the left foot and left hip clearance. Not only that but it is the cause that maintains the spine angle/tilt into impact. Anything else, for me, distracts from my intent to hit the ball.
Your points are clear AZ (Ernie) but the cause of those effects are the interesting point for me.
Your points are clear AZ (Ernie) but the cause of those effects are the interesting point for me.
Brian Manzella
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The LEFT FOOT should have been the last thing PULLED UP on the backswing..
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So...
It should be the first thing on the downswing (and sure it is reacting and probably not even causing the movement).
But it should move first.
Now Darby, you are right, more UP left shoulder HIGHER SHOTS, more zip.
The LEFT FOOT should have been the last thing PULLED UP on the backswing..
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So...
It should be the first thing on the downswing (and sure it is reacting and probably not even causing the movement).
But it should move first.
Now Darby, you are right, more UP left shoulder HIGHER SHOTS, more zip.
It's hard to say what exactly moves or causes things to move. When I throw a ball, I move my balance to my right foot/leg then I move my arm back, then I move my balance to my left foot/leg and I move my arm forward. It is really an instantaneous shift of my weight and I am completely stable first on my right leg then on my left. I am trying to get this feeling in my golf swing.Spike said:
azgolfer said:
I think it just takes a little shift of attention to really see what is causing the physical chain reactions. Of course explaining how intention works is beyond this grain of rice for a brain!
But, if you are going to throw a ball (right handed & overhand) at a target you are "facing", the first thing you would do is turn the right side of your body away from the target and get into a launch angle which would have your shoulders tilted and body weight on your right foot. You would then extend your right arm with the wrist loaded. this would have the entire right side and ball as far away from the target as possible. This is all done in relationship with the mass of the ball and how much force you are going to apply. If you are going to throw it hard the angle of the wrist, the pitch angle of the elbow along with the direction of the throw will cause the left side of the body to get out of the way and support this tremndous power package delivery. It will always look and probably feel as if these other things are moving first but they are not the cause. They are effects.
The same is true when you are facing the golf ball. When that tremndous amount of stored power is fired at the ball either the left side of the body will get out of the way or the left wrist will breakdown. We just have to train our mind, hands and body to accept this intriguing activity so we don't hurt ourselves.
Is this getting closer to what we're working towards? Hope I'm reading ya right!??!
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Perfect Impact
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Could it be that STANDING on your right leg prevents falling to the left? What if you only LEAN TOWARDS your right; and therefore be off balance; such that, like a tree that is about to fall, GRAVITY MOVES YOU, SLOWLY AT FIRST, rather than that 'you push!'?
So the issue for many is not that they "swing too fast," but that they "swing TOO EARLY!"
So the issue for many is not that they "swing too fast," but that they "swing TOO EARLY!"
With throwing a ball, I do whatever is necessary to get my balance stable on first my right and then my left leg. This is not done consciously. I can think about my feet, and then I feel my balance shifting, but I still don't know what moves first. I just know that I am getting my right and then left leg in position to support all my weight and be in balance. In my golf swing, I haven't been doing this, so my weight is MOSTLY on my right leg in the backswing and MOSTLY on my left in the downswing and the balance point is somewhere between the two. I think I can be much more consistent if it I am balanced on my right leg in the backwing and balanced on my left leg in the downswing, with an instantaneous transition.
tourdeep
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Perfect Impact said:
I like it...
italian's pivot suggests that if one were to lift the lead foot at the top of the backswing, one should not be able to maintain balance on that trail leg. He should simply fall back to the front. Effectively, this is a meaty portion of the start the downswing. If the balance can be maintained on the trail for at the top, then there is overrotation, swaying, probably as a result of a faulty trail leg moving excessively and losing its angle.
azgolfer said:
OK. Try this out(as a drill first and then some practice swings) and let me know what happens. Address position with arms folded across your chest. Left hip and shoulder higher than right hip and shoulder (spine tilt). Weight evenly on both feet.
Turn your right back pocket towards your left back pocket in the backswing allowing your right shoulder to follow. This will have your left knee pointing more outward in front of the ball. You will feel pressure on both feet heavy in the ground due to the rotation and a slight sitting feeling in the right hip/thigh. Maintain the "lean" of the spine angle/tilt.
Move the right shoulder down toward the ball in front of your right hip. This will cause the left shoulder to move up and the axis tilt to come into play, which in turn, will begin to move your left knee towards straight and your left hip to rotate. You should now be at impact where the left knee is straight, the left hip fully cleared back toward your right pocket and the shoulders square to the target line. At this point you will feel that you have pressure or weight against both feet more towards the heels.
From there move the left shoulder directly away from the target line which will bring your right shoulder, hip, knee and foot to a fully balanced finish.
Do an easy practice swing to see if these movements are taking place. In this move there is no "conscious" effort to "transfer weight" from one foot to the other. Weight will be transfered more rotationally (feeling) but in reality there will be a very minor shift. Shift Happens, man, without us even trying!!
Please feel free to send a PM to me if it is still confusing.
danny_shank
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Too Complicated?
azgolfer you might be over complicating things. You said yourself you don't think about these things when throwing a ball. I feel i've improved immensely since i stoped thinking about my legs and hips and just what i want to do with my hands.
For example if you just try and let the hands drop with the force of gravity, if your like me your legs won't react at all. However if you change your intention to applying power with your hands towards the plane line, suddenly (for me anyway) your legs react automatically and your'll plant your feet in preparation.
azgolfer you might be over complicating things. You said yourself you don't think about these things when throwing a ball. I feel i've improved immensely since i stoped thinking about my legs and hips and just what i want to do with my hands.
For example if you just try and let the hands drop with the force of gravity, if your like me your legs won't react at all. However if you change your intention to applying power with your hands towards the plane line, suddenly (for me anyway) your legs react automatically and your'll plant your feet in preparation.
Perfect Impact
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or perhaps, you'll dynamically wait and allow your weight to fall to the left automatically IN PREPARATION FOR the thrust. The swing is dynamic, so that motion is CAUSED BY FORCE. The simplest way is the gravity fall backwards to the left HEEL which offsets the anticipated centrifugal force outwards from the swing center. Gravity Golf. Same idea of natural and thoughtless response to the intention to throw, but not from pushing; from FALLING.
shootin4par
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like I said not loading into the right side, and if you keep spine angle how could you get over the right leg, you would be into the right legtourdeep said:
Worked on this at the range this morning. A few observations:
It's hard to change your transition !
If you don't get your weight right in the backswing, you can't shift to the left foot quickly enough.
My best swing thought for this was sidearm throwing motion.
I think there is some overlap between arms moving back and shifting to the left leg.
This was very surprising:
Take an address position
Move your weight to the inside of the right foot
Easy, right ??
Now try going the other way, to the inside of your left foot.
I am not comfortable doing this ! I think from making thousands of backswings I've built up the strength in my right leg, but it's not there in my left leg, where I need it the most.
It's hard to change your transition !
If you don't get your weight right in the backswing, you can't shift to the left foot quickly enough.
My best swing thought for this was sidearm throwing motion.
I think there is some overlap between arms moving back and shifting to the left leg.
This was very surprising:
Take an address position
Move your weight to the inside of the right foot
Easy, right ??
Now try going the other way, to the inside of your left foot.
I am not comfortable doing this ! I think from making thousands of backswings I've built up the strength in my right leg, but it's not there in my left leg, where I need it the most.
shootin4par
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Load into the rear leg, not the front leg, you can put your weight over top of the front leg if you want.
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