Tiger Woods at the Match Play
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golfball323
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It doesn't even look like him anymore.
I want the old Tiger back. The one that just ripped it back kinda outsideish, paused for a split second at the top and hit a perfect fade every time.
I know it's Harmon-style, and his knee wouldn't hold up, but it was just so much better.
I want the old Tiger back. The one that just ripped it back kinda outsideish, paused for a split second at the top and hit a perfect fade every time.
I know it's Harmon-style, and his knee wouldn't hold up, but it was just so much better.
birly-shirly
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Just curious - who thinks the knee damage was the real driver for the Haney swing changes, and who thinks it was a fig leaf to justify controversial swing changes, maybe even a controversial change of swing coach?
Tiger's swing under Butch was always being compared to Adam Scott's. Did Scott have that knee snap?
Tiger's swing under Butch was always being compared to Adam Scott's. Did Scott have that knee snap?
golfball323
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His knee has always been weak. I buy that it was partly the reason for the change.
I think his swing just sux. IMO a professional golfer shouldn't have a 'save it' move. Those moves are reserved for people like me and they are on display at every public course around. I don't think Foley has any more of a clue than HH. For how many years now has the world's best player been underplane and 2 'world class teachers' haven't been able to fix it. I am beginning to wonder if they even know the term underplane or know that it is a problem.
Geez, someone send him NHA 2.0!
Oh, and I think the 'his knee won't hold up' idea is poo.
Geez, someone send him NHA 2.0!
Oh, and I think the 'his knee won't hold up' idea is poo.
golfball323
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People who have never had a knee operated on are probably the only ones who would make the argument that it is an excuse.
Not trying to pick a fight, but the knee is for real I think.
Not trying to pick a fight, but the knee is for real I think.
mjstrong
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I wonder how many times, on the range, Tiger practices that same swing at full speed. Every time I see shots of him on the range, he's very smooth. Yet, during play, he often swings incredibly hard.
I often find that I can use "new swings" on course (not just at the range), but not swinging at 100% power...
I often find that I can use "new swings" on course (not just at the range), but not swinging at 100% power...
Matt 4-L
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That's funny!
I just sent Tiger a pointed e-mail! 
I told him that he needed to "get a grip!" I added that his current teacher is experimenting on him, and that he will soon be fitted for bolts. I recommended that he take a turn at "The Turn" and learn how to zero some stuff out. I winged him a bit by saying that Hogan was mostly mystique and probably did not hit it as well as everyone thinks. Quit chasing a spook! I got personal by suggesting that his father's memory deserves better and that his mother is still alive! Stop spitting, cussing, #*!! everything with a pulse and get the @!#* ball in the &*!#* hole.
I told him that he needed to "get a grip!" I added that his current teacher is experimenting on him, and that he will soon be fitted for bolts. I recommended that he take a turn at "The Turn" and learn how to zero some stuff out. I winged him a bit by saying that Hogan was mostly mystique and probably did not hit it as well as everyone thinks. Quit chasing a spook! I got personal by suggesting that his father's memory deserves better and that his mother is still alive! Stop spitting, cussing, #*!! everything with a pulse and get the @!#* ball in the &*!#* hole. golfball323
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I agree that he just needs to play aim and fire for a while.
rogerdodger
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The greatest player in the world has fallen victim to the oldest witch in the game, the swing change. From Ralph Guldahl to Ian Baker Finch searching for perfection has destroyed player after player. Everyone on this site is presumably here to improve their games, to get that nugget of instruction from Brian or others that will turn our sorry games around. However no one on this site has won multiple majors and dominated a sport for ten years. He was crazy to even change his swing after Harmon. He did it and still won due to the best short game on tour. Now that is no longer as good and it shows in his inability to string together good holes. The chips he made on par 5's in the match were like someone else hit them. Saying he had to change his swing for his knee is a pathetic excuse. Hogan was put together with duct tape after he got hit by a bus, his swing changed due to his injuries, but he did not change it because of his injuries. Tiger is a world class athlete, he could have figured out an adjustment in his swing to take pressure of the knee, not required a wholesale change. He went from a guy who simply tightens up players, Harmon, to one who puts down parallel lines, Haney. Now he is with a guy whose students have never won a major championship and he looks lost. Playing golf at that level is still part art, not all science. To think you can string together a bunch of new positions and make it better than what he had is crazy. After Foley what is his next method, S&T, Ballard, Leadbetter, AJ? I wondered why I waste so much time looking at golf instruction web sites and now it looks like the guy I would have killed for his game looks like he is doing the same thing. I am going back to porn, Tiger should too.
It may be a waste of time for Tiger but it wasn't for Hunter Mahan, Anthony Kim, Steve Elkington, Aaron Baddely, Alex Cejka, Bill Lunde, Will McKenzie, Justin Rose, Troy Matteson, Mike Weir, Charlie Wi, Sean O'Hair and Stephen Ames.
Jim Kobylinski
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Because as i said above, just because it works on the range doesn't mean it will work on the course there is (write this down or burn it into memory)
There is absolutely no guarantee that whatever you worked on and that worked on the range will a) work on the golf course and/or b) work on the golf course DURING A TOURNAMENT (or when you have money on the line with your buddies).
There have been plenty of fun ideas that have worked for me on the range that just don't translate into real golf world and/or shooting low scores. As a small aside, i played golf twice last year; the second time was with a friend/student and i couldn't hit it out of my shadow. I looked awful and the ball didn't like me, he decides to tell me on the 12th hole (ya 12th lol) that "you know you really are swinging flat, are you trying to do that?" Answer was no, i went to my safety pattern of Never Hook Again and like magic i was only 2 over for the last 6 when i think i was like 10 over par on the front.
Find what works, stick with it.
Looks like Tiger's driver yips has infected his 3 wood.Missing a 200 yard wide fairway with a fairway wood is unbelievable for a pro.That is not going to do his confidence any good especially after he declared "it clicked".He want it clicking on the course with a tournament on the line,not on the driving range.
He better cure the yips fast before it becomes permanent.I would be swallowing my pride and give Butch a call.Go back to to the keep the club more in front of his body swing rather than deep hands and live with being stuck.At least the misses won't be as wild which can really throw you mentally and is how the yips start.
He better cure the yips fast before it becomes permanent.I would be swallowing my pride and give Butch a call.Go back to to the keep the club more in front of his body swing rather than deep hands and live with being stuck.At least the misses won't be as wild which can really throw you mentally and is how the yips start.
I've had two knee operations and am looking at a replacement withing the next 5-10 years. I have advanced arthritis in my shoulder. I can swing a golf club as hard as I want.
Countless professional athletes have returned to form from injuries much worse than Tiger's knee.
I have got to say that it is painful to watch this guy play golf. In fact, I don't think he has "played golf" for a couple of years. Instead, he now plays "golf swing".
Sorry Jim but I don't follow you.
You played twice in 2010...... Tiger plays twice A DAY! It's his J-O-B! Do you honestly think you could work on a swing change 8 hours a day every day (more if we believe everything written about Tigre's work ethic) and not see any real results in 180 days?
6 months later and he still can't bring it? That tells me the pattern is simply not a match or his personal transgressions have turned him into just another "good" player.
Who'd have thunk it?
yeah tigers swing looks like a lumberjack at times. his pivot with this swing method is causing him all sorts of problems he has always had fast hips. but now with his hands so deep and low and with those quick hips he gets underplane real easy and then lunges with his upper body in an attempt to safe it. but we have all seen him do this with harmon too, only now it is far too often . sometimes you wonder does his ego get in the way, he was was the young bomber who blew it by everyone else, now he has other guys blowing it by him. cant understand why he dosnt use a trackman to help him achieve better launch conditions and he wouldnt have to go at it so hard.
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