Tiger Woods at the Match Play

[ekennedy]

Fore right!

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[mjstrong]

Sean's desire to have Tiger leftward, makes him HAVE TO have his right shoulder even lower, and there is a serious concavity in his hand path.

"Serious concavity" = a small radius of the hand path? Too tight of a circle? A little too in on the way down, and a little too in on the way up?

 

[grus]

How many of these guys havent been heard from for a while?

I don't look at just the short term. All of these guys got better using some variation of the S&T/Foley models. As we all know the golf swing is just one piece of the puzzle. How many PGA tour players play great every single week? I also don't think it is fair to say who is playing good or bad this early in the season. They played pretty damn good last year.

2010 PGA Tour Money List
9. Justin Rose
10. Hunter Mahan
24. Anthony Kim
41. Sean O'Hair
53. Charlie Wi
83. Bill Lunde
99. Steve Elkington
108. Alex Cejka
117. Dean Wilson
128. Troy Matteson

 

[grus]

There's nothing wrong with a flat left arm plane at the top. But Tiger already had that before starting with Foley.

The clubhead moves on a plane through the impact zone. So do the hands......which means that the hands ALWAYS move up and in after their low point. Eventually, they come up off that plane after impact, just like they did on the backswing. There's no reason to try to force your hands left through impact. They don't have a choice. Tiger should be focused on the horizontal direction of that hand plane, and matching the clubhead plane up with it...... Not the vertical angle/relative flatness of those planes, or how long the hands stay on that plane after impact.

I misunderstood your original post. This makes total sense. Thanks for explaining.

 

[spuds]

I think why you see Tiger so smooth on the range and not very smooth on the course is because of anxiety. I remember seeing Rex Caldwell on the practice tee at Riviera and he was so smooth and pure, but if anybody remembers seeing Rex Caldwell play he was a slasher and fell off balance on almost every shot. Rex Caldwell was a very nervous, antsy guy, although Tiger does not show the outward behaviour of some one with a lot of anxiety, I think it shows up in his swing.People always say that Tiger swings too hard and that is true, but I think that is caused by anxiety, as is very hard too be slow and smooth when you have so much anxiety.

 

[dbl]

I don't look at just the short term. All of these guys got better using some variation of the S&T/Foley models.

To be fair about Elkington's situation, I understand he credits working with Mangham on his putting which has brought him back from the dead. Besides, any credit to Sevam on the swing?

 

[Brian Manzella]

Serious concavity in the hand path as well.

 

[Tcavic]

Tiger set up or swing

Have been watching old you tube from tiger . At set up it looks like he doesn't have much of a chance to make the swing he wants. At address his upper torso looks to be too much out over the ball,arms seem too vertical,eyeline out over top of ball(not inside).In the past he had more room , now it looks as if he trying to fit his swing in and under with little success.

 

[jeffgladchun]

I hope this isn't the case

but I don't think Tiger will ever recover.

At this point I can't see him winning 1 more major, let alone 4 or 5.

Damn shame.

 

[Todd Dugan]

Have been watching old you tube from tiger . At set up it looks like he doesn't have much of a chance to make the swing he wants. At address his upper torso looks to be too much out over the ball,arms seem too vertical,eyeline out over top of ball(not inside).In the past he had more room , now it looks as if he trying to fit his swing in and under with little success.

Bingo! He just keeps getting closer to the ball.Trying to set-up that silly "inward hand path". That's why his sternum/head rise just before impact. He doesn't give himself enough room to start with. Back in '00, his head was steady as a rock through the zone.

 

[Todd Dugan]

Here's a look at some fine video from earlier this week. Good camera positioning, parallel to toe line. You can clearly see that the hands swing on a straight line (plane) through the impact zone, for a good bit on both sides of the low point. That's physics at work for ya. That plane is parallel to his toe line...natural and good. But the sweetspot plane is rightward of the hand plane. That'll help him draw it. And its the only way the clubhead can go "out" from the hand plane after impact. But I think the "best" swings match up the two planes (Hogan).

And boy is he crowding the ball. Note the head "rise" approaching impact.

 

[holeout]

Here's a look at some fine video from earlier this week. Good camera positioning, parallel to toe line. You can clearly see that the hands swing on a straight line (plane) through the impact zone, for a good bit on both sides of the low point. That's physics at work for ya. That plane is parallel to his toe line...natural and good. But the sweetspot plane is rightward of the hand plane. That'll help him draw it. And its the only way the clubhead can go "out" from the hand plane after impact. But I think the "best" swings match up the two planes (Hogan).

And boy is he crowding the ball. Note the head "rise" approaching impact.

Shoulders are WAY too steep. Holy crap. No wonder he dumps it underplane.

 

[wulsy]

Serious concavity in the hand path as well.

You mean in the backswing? Inside then up (flatter to steeper)? Like this bracket sign ( ?

What is the effect of this on the downswing/impact area?

In the downswing it doesn't look like there's much concavity.

 

[spktho]

Here's a look at some fine video from earlier this week. Good camera positioning, parallel to toe line. You can clearly see that the hands swing on a straight line (plane) through the impact zone, for a good bit on both sides of the low point. That's physics at work for ya. That plane is parallel to his toe line...natural and good. But the sweetspot plane is rightward of the hand plane. That'll help him draw it. And its the only way the clubhead can go "out" from the hand plane after impact. But I think the "best" swings match up the two planes (Hogan).

And boy is he crowding the ball. Note the head "rise" approaching impact.

From your description, should the sweet spot and hands be on the plane you drew? How did you determine where you drew the line?

 

[michael_mcloughlin]

How many of these guys havent been heard from for a while?

Mahan won twice last year, Lunde won last year, Troy finished top 5 in GIR, Charlie and Cejka had a few good chances to win last year.

 

[michael_mcloughlin]

Very interesting post Todd. It makes one realise a very basic truth, often perhaps overlooked: you can be as steep as you like (VSP) and still swing left (HSP)! Maybe the SnTers didn't realise this

Andy and Mike have always said that the hands move in 3 dimensions, example: backward, inward and upward on the backswing

 

[Kevin Shields]

Mahan won twice last year, Lunde won last year, Troy finished top 5 in GIR, Charlie and Cejka had a few good chances to win last year.

I said HAVENT been heard from, not HAVE been

 

[grus]

Bingo! He just keeps getting closer to the ball.Trying to set-up that silly "inward hand path". That's why his sternum/head rise just before impact. He doesn't give himself enough room to start with. Back in '00, his head was steady as a rock through the zone.

Kinda off topic but do you draw all of your plane lines from the shaft or the sweet spot plane? Thanks.