Kevin Shields
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It's a good thing he won't show up at your door. A squat and a jump has never caused an open face.
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It's a good thing he won't show up at your door. A squat and a jump has never caused an open face.
thefuture37
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lol...this is what I'm talking about...people that think they know Tiger's swing better than he does...
tourdeep
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Booo! Is that you Homer?...!
Are you the type of player who hits his 300-350 yard drives, always allows me to go first so I can to stick it close AGAIN, rattle your boots and empty your pocketbook? Thank goodness for those imperatives and essentials.
Realizing the concepts of the golf swing are not a result of just the yellow book and with the internet providing a basis for a tremendous amount of information, you bet this info can be found elsewhere. And TGM will continue to be debated and frowned upon by factions and refined by those who carry the torch. TGM will produce more theorists and has already produced players who have won whether they know it or not,,, Clampett, Elkington, Toms, Gay, Manzella, Leadbetter, etc... I would not be a bit surprised if Tiger stumbles onto these concepts somewhere in his journey and gives it a try after he's completed plane angle theory or another type.
Dante's book is solid. Gave it to my father last christmas and he's eager to try some of his concepts. But, I would never give him the yellow book until someone produces a better dummy version tho Clampetts' version isn't bad nor is Hebron's. For you and my father, Dante's better. For me, even though there might be some dispelling of some of the principles, the foundation is as strong as ever and Homer remains near the top of my list ahead of Dante.
OK, so you don't miss three footers, then try a hat when the hair ain't just right...
Always a pleasure to roll with you, tourdeep.
I'm not willing to give any instructor credit for Tigers success. Jim Flick could 'coach' Tiger to another 10 majors.
FLW Bent right wrist isn't only found in the Yellow Book. I learned that concept 10 years ago from the single axis fellows. My have I tried everything
The Dante book is better than TGM!!! It is more likely to produce a player, and not yet another theorist with pseudo-science, and 9th grade geometry.
Miss a three footer? Get real!!!
Are you the type of player who hits his 300-350 yard drives, always allows me to go first so I can to stick it close AGAIN, rattle your boots and empty your pocketbook? Thank goodness for those imperatives and essentials.
Realizing the concepts of the golf swing are not a result of just the yellow book and with the internet providing a basis for a tremendous amount of information, you bet this info can be found elsewhere. And TGM will continue to be debated and frowned upon by factions and refined by those who carry the torch. TGM will produce more theorists and has already produced players who have won whether they know it or not,,, Clampett, Elkington, Toms, Gay, Manzella, Leadbetter, etc... I would not be a bit surprised if Tiger stumbles onto these concepts somewhere in his journey and gives it a try after he's completed plane angle theory or another type.
Dante's book is solid. Gave it to my father last christmas and he's eager to try some of his concepts. But, I would never give him the yellow book until someone produces a better dummy version tho Clampetts' version isn't bad nor is Hebron's. For you and my father, Dante's better. For me, even though there might be some dispelling of some of the principles, the foundation is as strong as ever and Homer remains near the top of my list ahead of Dante.
OK, so you don't miss three footers, then try a hat when the hair ain't just right...
Chris Sturgess
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People who think they know more about golf or know more about Tiger's swing than Tiger really amuse the hell out of me. What a joke you people are. At least start your audacious statements with "look, I'm a joke who has never even made a cut in a Nationwide tour event but I would guess that....." and certainly not "here's what tiger needs to do, I am sure of it because of my expert golf swing knowledge....." hahahaha, wow.
self-mastery
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I love the way you packaged your insult in your post
I stand by my signature.
TGM 1969-2007 RIP.
Enough of Mr. Kelly's paint by numbers approach to 'science'
I do thank Mr. Kelly for giving me my right hand back, TT for showing me how, and DG for explaining how to make it work .
I'm so over the golf swing!!! Smack it down the fairway, and score...such an easy game.
How to get up and down... another simple useful book that is more utilitarian than TGM!
I stand by my signature.
TGM 1969-2007 RIP.
Enough of Mr. Kelly's paint by numbers approach to 'science'
I do thank Mr. Kelly for giving me my right hand back, TT for showing me how, and DG for explaining how to make it work .
I'm so over the golf swing!!! Smack it down the fairway, and score...such an easy game.
How to get up and down... another simple useful book that is more utilitarian than TGM!
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I don't see how it's any different from fans in other sports. I mean, you don't preface your thoughts on Eli Manning should have hit the turf, or how Vlad should have thrown it to 2nd instead of home with the fact that you suck at those sports comparatively. It doesn't bother me when people say "He should have caught that pass." But when someone denies the guy by saying "Hey you're not in the NFL, you don't know shit" I just think they need to chill the hell out. Besides, Tiger could be wrong about his own swing. Not saying that he is, just saying that one of those real golf swing experts could be right, the truth can come from anywhere. I'm a hacker who's a joke and don't claim to know anything about the swing at all, but you can't deny that it's possible
.Kevin Shields
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Who are you referring to in this post? Because I've made cuts in Nationwide events. Is that your twisted idea of what qualifies someone to make statements about golf swings?
Kevin Shields
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How can you say this when in this thread you yourself stated your opinions about Tiger's swing? Weird.
tongzilla
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Well...
Chris does have a point here.
Tiger is someone who's willing to try ANYTHING to improve his ballstriking. I would not be suprised if he's tried a lot of the things mentioned on the forums (including this one), either discovered by himself on the range or reading. And it is very possible that he hasn't ingrained a lot of the advice people give him, BECAUSE he hits is worse when doing it.
Chris does have a point here.
Tiger is someone who's willing to try ANYTHING to improve his ballstriking. I would not be suprised if he's tried a lot of the things mentioned on the forums (including this one), either discovered by himself on the range or reading. And it is very possible that he hasn't ingrained a lot of the advice people give him, BECAUSE he hits is worse when doing it.
Kevin Shields
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Even if he has a point, calling other people he doesnt know "a joke" makes others not take him seriously. I'm not saying at all that i know for a fact or know more about tiger's swing than he does. I thought forums are exchanges of ideas so we can all learn. Certainly i'm entitled to an opinion.
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Chris Sturgess
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Obviously everyone is entitled to their opinion. My point is that people acting like their opinion is more valid than Tiger's is a joke. A lot of people on here need to get over themselves. They are not more knowledgeable about how to play golf than Tiger Woods, please. They might have more "knowledge" but it doesn't help them play golf well. People should not be scoffing at things Tiger does regarding golf as if they know so much better. They know very little compared to him and need to realize that. If you know so much about how to play golf well go win majors, go win pga tour events. It should be easy since you know more than Tiger. You don't need much physically, if Tim Herron, Craig Stadler, Steve Lowery, etc etc, can do it your sure can too. It's not like those guys are dunking basketballs from the free throw line or running 4.2 40s when the tournaments over. They can barely do a pushup or touch the net.
Doubled, you've made a cut in a nationwide event, good job. You know more about how to play golf well than people who haven't then. Unless you have won a bunch of majors on the pga tour you still don't know much compared to Tiger Woods. Although I don't think that you think you do.
I forget who the guy was that was saying this is like being an archair quarterback but yeah armchair quarterbacks who think they know more about quarterbacking in the nfl than actual quarterbacks in the nfl are a joke too. Give your opinion, but don't act like you a disaproving guy who is better than the actual pro athlete being discussed. Unless you are or have been a pro athlete who is better. If not then your attitude is a joke, that is my point.
Doubled, you've made a cut in a nationwide event, good job. You know more about how to play golf well than people who haven't then. Unless you have won a bunch of majors on the pga tour you still don't know much compared to Tiger Woods. Although I don't think that you think you do.
I forget who the guy was that was saying this is like being an archair quarterback but yeah armchair quarterbacks who think they know more about quarterbacking in the nfl than actual quarterbacks in the nfl are a joke too. Give your opinion, but don't act like you a disaproving guy who is better than the actual pro athlete being discussed. Unless you are or have been a pro athlete who is better. If not then your attitude is a joke, that is my point.
Kevin Shields
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You're unreal. Read my post. Don't put words in my mouth. I was saying exactly the opposite. Just because I can play a little doesn't make me any more...or less knowledgable than anyone else. You're the one who said anyone who hasn't even made a Nationwide cut giving swing opinions is a joke. Do you have anything positive to offer? If you don't like my analysis or opinions, say why? I love putting myself out there. If someone can tear me to shreds than i will be a better teacher tomorrow cuz I'll learn. You just like to ridicule.
Kevin Shields
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I agree. I'm done with it.
thefuture37
Banned
The only thing that is "weird" is that you didn't read my whole post before commenting...weird
Brian Manzella
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Hmmm....
Can you hit it straight and far with square shoulders?
Does TRACKMAN know?
Will trying to do it help you hit it better?
Are the so-called "name" teachers the best in the game?
Leadbetter was #1 for a long time. NOBODY brings up ANY of his theories these days, almost anywhere, but especially not at national summits.
Of course, I predicted that a few years back, and everyone said I was a cocky so&so.
Chris, are you a teacher?
Can you hit it straight and far with square shoulders?
Does TRACKMAN know?
Yes.
& No.
& No.
Will trying to do it help you hit it better?
If it did, you'd be in a mighty small percentage.
Are the so-called "name" teachers the best in the game?
No chance.
Leadbetter was #1 for a long time. NOBODY brings up ANY of his theories these days, almost anywhere, but especially not at national summits.
Of course, I predicted that a few years back, and everyone said I was a cocky so&so.
Chris, are you a teacher?
Chris Sturgess
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Um, yes it does. The great thing about golf is that it is an objective test that exists in reality. If someone is so knowledgable then they can go put their knowledge to the test and see what they really know. If their test results don't beat Tiger Woods (which nobodys do) then they should never have a condescending attitude towards him when they offer their opinions. You really don't think how well a person can play has to do with how much they know about playing well? That's totally insane. There are some people that play well and maybe just have subconscious knowledge that they can't really share, but they still know what to do to play well more so than a guy who is not nearly as good a player. I'm not saying that people who aren't pga tour superstars should not be listened to, I am saying they shouldn't ever have a condescending attitude towards people who are actually pga tour superstars, or anyone who can beat them at golf for that matter.
Brian Manzella
Administrator
Whew...
No it doesn't.
There is this thing called PLAYING and this thing called TEACHING.
There is also this thing called TRACKMAN.
You can have an objective Teacher's US Open now. I am the only one suggesting it should be a reality.
About 1991 or so, David Toms was on Tour and in town to take some lessons from me. At my request he gave a lesson to a beginner lady student of mine, who had taken 5 lessons from me. Chipping and pitching only. I had to run due to a family matter.
The next week I asked the new lady golfer how here chipping and pitching lesson went with David. "He's so cute, we had a great time. But he doesn't know how to teach."
No it doesn't.
There is this thing called PLAYING and this thing called TEACHING.
There is also this thing called TRACKMAN.
You can have an objective Teacher's US Open now. I am the only one suggesting it should be a reality.
About 1991 or so, David Toms was on Tour and in town to take some lessons from me. At my request he gave a lesson to a beginner lady student of mine, who had taken 5 lessons from me. Chipping and pitching only. I had to run due to a family matter.
The next week I asked the new lady golfer how here chipping and pitching lesson went with David. "He's so cute, we had a great time. But he doesn't know how to teach."
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