Vertical Hand Path

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Lifter

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"Vertical hand path" on the downswing has frequently been advocated as a very desirable thing by folks associated with this site.

But here's my question: at what point during the downswing should the hands move vertically: early or late?

The two videos below should illustrate what I'm talking about. Which hand path should result in "pure tumble" more consistently?

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Yani Tseng: late vertical hand path

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Kevin Shields

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What club is being used, position at the top and face angle at the top are but a few things to take into consideration before advocating a specific hand path.
 
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Lifter

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Kevin Shields said:
What club is being used, position at the top and face angle at the top are but a few things to take into consideration before advocating a specific hand path.
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If only it were easy to understand why those hand paths, which are so different both work! Personally, I've definitely got a preference for Yani's way of doing it. But that might be just a bias.

Check out Dustin Johnson using Anna Rawson's "early vertical" method. Sure seems to work for him!

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Just mind-blowing that both methods can work so well!
 
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Kevin Shields

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Yes, and the key is knowing what hand path to shaft angle to face angle combinations work for a straight shot and how to stray off those for different ballflight.
 
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Lifter

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One of the things that would be helpful to understand is why Vicky Hurst manages to make her late vertical hand path work while many others (hack slicers?) don't.
 
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Lindsey Newman

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She has a smidgen of carry to position the shaft and hands to begin its motion down. her hands do not continue their motion AT the ball. The whole point is that the clubhead has to swing out to the ball. If the hands lead the clubhead horizontally to far into the downswing it makes it more and more difficult to do.
 
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Brian Manzella said:
I am pretty sure I have never advocated a "vertical" hand path.

Yuk.

Makes me not even want to read my own web site.
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Just Google "Manzella" and "vertical hand path." That phrase has been promoted many many many times by people associated with this site.

Sounds like you agree with me that there's more to it than just dropping the hands straight down from the top. Should I stop saying "vertical hand path" and use some other phrase instead?

I LOVE this "tumble" concept but there's so much about it that remains a mystery to me......
 
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Brian Manzella

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I have never, ever, EVER advocated a "vertical hand path."

Anyone who finds a post of me saying that, gets a free video of their choice—including the AntiSummit 1 or 2.
 
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Lifter

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I'm sure that the feeling of a vertical hand path at some point in the swing can be useful. It just might not be useful to try doing that immediately at the start of the downswing.

What if we called it "late" vertical hand path?
 
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Keefer

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Stupid question probably, but just how do you monitor your hand path and should hand path be a conscious thought? Quick observation of the golfers in the videos is their hand path is unique to their swing. Also, wouldn't your hand path be determined by the length of the club being swung?
 
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Brian Manzella

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Lifter said:
I'm sure that the feeling of a vertical hand path at some point in the swing can be useful. It just might not be useful to try doing that immediately at the start of the downswing.

What if we called it "late" vertical hand path?
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No.

Never.

Ever.

No.

Damn kid.
 
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I've never heard you say that, infact I think in the Sergio article for Golf Magazine I think you said Sergio pulls down, away from the target and towards the target line.
 
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Lifter

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To be clear, I can't recall ever hearing Brian himself say "vertical hand path." Just some of his instructors.

Below is some evidence, which Brian made two years ago. If you fast-forward to 2:45 into the video, Brian indicates that he's not generally a fan of hand paths that immediately move vertically to start the downswing.

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Kevin Shields

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Well maybe we should all get on the same page. If I've ever used it, I've honestly meant "more vertical" from the DTL view or just not as horizontal. The steepest hand path I've ever seen is Nick Price, and his isn't straight vertical. I do apologize if this has been confusing regarding terminology, which we all know can get lost in translation.

Lifter, shouldn't you be most, if not all, concerned with your own hand path and what would work for you??
 
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Brian Manzella

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Lifter said:
To be clear, I can't recall ever hearing Brian himself say "vertical hand path." Just some of his instructors.

Below is some evidence, which Brian made two years ago. If you fast-forward to 2:45 into the video, Brian indicates that he's not generally a fan of hand paths that immediately move vertically to start the downswing.

<iframe src="http://player.vimeo.com/video/20641989" width="500" height="250" frameborder="0" webkitallowfullscreen="" mozallowfullscreen="" allowfullscreen=""></iframe> lowbackmodel from Brian Manzella on Vimeo.
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Good job, Lifter.


I hate being misunderstood.
 
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