faux_maestro
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This has helped me a lot. It's "more vertical" for some, especially those who have trained to thrust at the ball for so long.
Vertical Hand Path
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This has helped me a lot. It's "more vertical" for some, especially those who have trained to thrust at the ball for so long.
Brian Manzella
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Convex or Concave, and in less instances—non-vertical planar.
Vertical I would fix like a fat shot....now.
Vertical I would fix like a fat shot....now.
Just trying to visualize......
I've just always wanted there to be more discussion of this subject. From my perspective, when I read Brian and Kevin on hand path, it's like two trains passing at night. Brian has always taken care to say that in most cases, he doesn't like the hand path to be too concave.
Kevin, on the other hand, has very rarely discussed concavity. It's just always vaguely been "vertical hand path vertical hand path." And yes, I know you mean from DTL view.
Right now, I actually think that my own personal hand path immediately from the top is too vertical and I'd like it to be more horizontal. So I'm curious what exactly it is that Kevin has been trying to accomplish by saying "vertical hand path" so frequently. It's just hard for me to visualize what specific body / club movements he wants happening and at what point in the downswing.
I've just always wanted there to be more discussion of this subject. From my perspective, when I read Brian and Kevin on hand path, it's like two trains passing at night. Brian has always taken care to say that in most cases, he doesn't like the hand path to be too concave.
Kevin, on the other hand, has very rarely discussed concavity. It's just always vaguely been "vertical hand path vertical hand path." And yes, I know you mean from DTL view.
Right now, I actually think that my own personal hand path immediately from the top is too vertical and I'd like it to be more horizontal. So I'm curious what exactly it is that Kevin has been trying to accomplish by saying "vertical hand path" so frequently. It's just hard for me to visualize what specific body / club movements he wants happening and at what point in the downswing.
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Kevin Shields
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Trust me, when we're in the same room, it's not like two trains passing at night. How we type things out may be different, but we are not at odds on this concept even a little bit.
Kevin Shields
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And Lifter, if you think I've been vague on this subject, you can kiss my big butt.
Kevin Shields
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.......and where do you think your hand path is too vertical? Holy shit!
Another thought:
Say you're dealing with a 25-handicapper who hits huge 200-yard slices with his driver. His hand path from the top might very well be horizontal, ending up with a sweet spot plane that is too steep.
Could "vertical hand path" be the right fix for this golfer? On the one hand, I can see how trying to do that from the top might shallow out his swing plane. But on the other hand, couldn't he end up with his right elbow stuck way behind his right hip coming into impact?
Say you're dealing with a 25-handicapper who hits huge 200-yard slices with his driver. His hand path from the top might very well be horizontal, ending up with a sweet spot plane that is too steep.
Could "vertical hand path" be the right fix for this golfer? On the one hand, I can see how trying to do that from the top might shallow out his swing plane. But on the other hand, couldn't he end up with his right elbow stuck way behind his right hip coming into impact?
And Lifter, if you think I've been vague on this subject, you can kiss my big butt.
I only kiss 'em if they're really hairy!!!!
This is what I understand from this topic, please clarify if I'm wrong:
Hands going out toward the ball or horizontal, aka tugging can lead to the body figuring out some compensation somewhere else just to hit the ball. Like early extension, standing up the handle, backing up the shaft... all these tend to lead to the shots Kevin described earlier.
A "more vertical" handpath can therefore be utilized to limit the above.
Hands going out toward the ball or horizontal, aka tugging can lead to the body figuring out some compensation somewhere else just to hit the ball. Like early extension, standing up the handle, backing up the shaft... all these tend to lead to the shots Kevin described earlier.
A "more vertical" handpath can therefore be utilized to limit the above.
Kevin Shields
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I would say almost positively not a fix. Why would you think it is?
Yes, just compare the start of my downswing to Sergio's.
When my downswing starts, there is a small vertical movement of my hands before they move diagonally. Sergio doesn't have that vertical movement. Yani doesn't. I'd like to get rid of mine.
If you disagree, that's OK. Free country!
I'm trying to imagine cases where "vertical hand path" might be a useful fix. Because as I said, there's always the risk that the golfer could get right right elbow stuck way behind his right hip. There's one popular method out there that runs into that particular pitfall very, very frequently.......
It would be especially useful to see a YouTube video of someone's swing that could benefit from a more "vertical hand path".......
Brian Manzella
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No.
Me and Kevin agree nearly 100% on this subject.
He does NOT like straight down hands.
Me and Kevin agree nearly 100% on this subject.
He does NOT like straight down hands.
Fair enough. But there have to be reasons why in some cases you want golfers to feel like their hand path is more vertical (maybe not perpendicular to the ground but still)......
JEREMY5577
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Wouldn't the hand path be a result of the motion made with the right elbow. So if your trying to just jam your hands down and your elbow gets stuck you would not be doing it correctly.
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Kevin Shields
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Hmm, I'll have to look again
Maybe you're right that I'm visualizing this wrong. But right now, I definitely think that horizontal hand path promotes right elbow more forward at impact and vice versa.
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