VIDEO: Real World TrackMan Practice and Comments by Brian Manzella

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Brian Manzella

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mgranato

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Great video, Brian. I’ve been practicing like this for the past two weeks. It normally takes a ton of balls and about 6-8 wks to get my swing tuned up for the season. This past weekend, my partner and I shoot 58 in crappy weather during a little 1 day tournament on a course neither of us had ever seen before. Also managed a hole-in-one from 201 that flew straight into the cup. The amount of focus and efficiency this puts on practice is the only explanation I have for decent play in less time and with far fewer balls than it normally takes. I’m still new to practicing like this, but it’s amazing how much feel you quickly develop for your swing/body/club motions when they are being measured by tenths of a degree.
 
Michael Finney

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always trying to make sense of all things manzella....

i am somewhat familiar with Trackman - not nearly as experienced as brian, kevin, and others but i do have a handle on what the numbers mean to the teacher and the student....

that being said - this is what jumped out at me as i watched this video...

Brian was attempting to show how a student would react to trackman numbers during a practice session - he turned on (audibly) two very important parameters to learn from - path and face angle - he can turn on any of the parameters depending upon what you want as feedback

in my opinion, when a student is in the very basic learning mode, i would love the numbers be "slightly dumbed down" in this regard - i wish the numbers were rounded to the nearest degree (drop the tenths number)

i also wish the path numbers were given in right and left terms (for the right handed golfer) instead of positive (right field) and negative (left field)...

obviously the numbers are great the way they are, but i'm just thinking about the student in the self help mode - if i hit a shot and the computer said "path 2 to the left, face open 4 - instead of club path minus 1.6 degrees, face angle 3.7 - i think i would learn more quickly

maybe i want this because my brain is a little slower than others, but anything that helps a student understand his real numbers quickly is an improvement that should be considered....

Trackman is pretty damn strong
 
Chip Putterman

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Brian, I would love to see your use of Trackman in a 15-handicapper's lesson. I would love to see how the TM information is used to instruct the student. Can we do this?
 
Michael Finney

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brian, casio camera, trackman, iphone, video codec, family, job, and reality

chip you have a great idea - brian needs a protege to get to all the good ideas - like george costanza needed his protege to read the risk management textbook....

anybody not doing anything for the next 3 years?
 
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Michael Finney said:
always trying to make sense of all things manzella....

i am somewhat familiar with Trackman - not nearly as experienced as brian, kevin, and others but i do have a handle on what the numbers mean to the teacher and the student....

that being said - this is what jumped out at me as i watched this video...

Brian was attempting to show how a student would react to trackman numbers during a practice session - he turned on (audibly) two very important parameters to learn from - path and face angle - he can turn on any of the parameters depending upon what you want as feedback

in my opinion, when a student is in the very basic learning mode, i would love the numbers be "slightly dumbed down" in this regard - i wish the numbers were rounded to the nearest degree (drop the tenths number)

i also wish the path numbers were given in right and left terms (for the right handed golfer) instead of positive (right field) and negative (left field)...

obviously the numbers are great the way they are, but i'm just thinking about the student in the self help mode - if i hit a shot and the computer said "path 2 to the left, face open 4 - instead of club path minus 1.6 degrees, face angle 3.7 - i think i would learn more quickly

maybe i want this because my brain is a little slower than others, but anything that helps a student understand his real numbers quickly is an improvement that should be considered....

Trackman is pretty damn strong
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It's just based on a number line or you could think of a graph. Straight is zero. To the left of zero is negative numbers. To the right is positive numbers.

I know it's been said before, but I wish they would make a cheaper version that would maybe only tell path, face and angle of attack. I'd even settle for just path and face angle. To be able to be more player and practice friendly since I don't have a Trackman facility near me.
 
Michael Finney

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spktho said:
It's just based on a number line or you could think of a graph. Straight is zero. To the left of zero is negative numbers. To the right is positive numbers.
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I understand the numbers - I'm just thinking of someone who is not as familiar with Trackman - probably a stupid idea.

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I know it's been said before, but I wish they would make a cheaper version that would maybe only tell path, face and angle of attack. I'd even settle for just path and face angle. To be able to be more player and practice friendly since I don't have a Trackman facility near me.
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Preaching to the choir, but i think Trackman is comfortable where they are positioned - the most accurate and the most expensive
 
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Michael Finney said:
in my opinion, when a student is in the very basic learning mode, i would love the numbers be "slightly dumbed down" in this regard - i wish the numbers were rounded to the nearest degree (drop the tenths number)
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I actually think that is a great idea. Would be easy to program the audio to come out in a more simplified and understandable way and allow the teacher/user to switch modes. Maybe some of the other technical terms could be also be defined and changed in a more user-friendly way for easier use with different groups of students.

(I like the Costanza comment as well.)
 
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mgranato said:
Great video, Brian. I’ve been practicing like this for the past two weeks. It normally takes a ton of balls and about 6-8 wks to get my swing tuned up for the season. This past weekend, my partner and I shoot 58 in crappy weather during a little 1 day tournament on a course neither of us had ever seen before. Also managed a hole-in-one from 201 that flew straight into the cup. The amount of focus and efficiency this puts on practice is the only explanation I have for decent play in less time and with far fewer balls than it normally takes. I’m still new to practicing like this, but it’s amazing how much feel you quickly develop for your swing/body/club motions when they are being measured by tenths of a degree.
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Nice work. Who's machine?
 
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Bigwill

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I'm in full agreement with Brian and the others. Using Trackman (the game version), I've actually been able to improve my ballstriking and short game, because I know the exact effects of whatever change I'm making.

It's like I was telling someone a couple of days ago, it's a Godsend for a ball beater like myself; I often get up there and just rake balls. My practice is more focused than it has ever been, and I'm even now coming up with ideas on how to structure my practice sessions, which is unheard of for me. Not to sound like a trackman stalker, but I love the thing. Use it right, and it will help you improve, for sure.
 
vjsinger

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mgranato said:
Great video, Brian. I’ve been practicing like this for the past two weeks. It normally takes a ton of balls and about 6-8 wks to get my swing tuned up for the season. This past weekend, my partner and I shoot 58 in crappy weather during a little 1 day tournament on a course neither of us had ever seen before. Also managed a hole-in-one from 201 that flew straight into the cup. The amount of focus and efficiency this puts on practice is the only explanation I have for decent play in less time and with far fewer balls than it normally takes. I’m still new to practicing like this, but it’s amazing how much feel you quickly develop for your swing/body/club motions when they are being measured by tenths of a degree.
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I'm jealous. I'm going to convince my wife that I cannot live without a Doppler Radar based launch monitor:eek: Any suggestions?:D
 
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Bigwill

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niblick1 said:
I actually think that is a great idea. Would be easy to program the audio to come out in a more simplified and understandable way and allow the teacher/user to switch modes. Maybe some of the other technical terms could be also be defined and changed in a more user-friendly way for easier use with different groups of students.

(I like the Costanza comment as well.)
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That's one thing I like about the game version; it uses left and right instead of +/-. It sucks that it dosen't offer path and face angle, though. You kind of have to figure it out using horizontal launch and spin angle instead.
 
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Mad Hatter

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Great video Brian. Have you done any research with the kinematic sequence of your body movements in relation to the numbers you get with Trackman? Have you or anyone else hit shots with Trackman and had on a KVest or AMM system running at the same time? Curious to see if everything is peaking in right order?
 
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vjsinger said:
I'm jealous. I'm going to convince my wife that I cannot live without a Doppler Radar based launch monitor:eek: Any suggestions?:D
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Tell her she doesn't really need the new kitchen - did you know you can crank up the doppler frequency and cook a steak?
 
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Brian Manzella

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Brian Manzella said:
HD Version is now up!
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