VIDEO: Real World TrackMan Practice and Comments by Brian Manzella

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I'm jealous. I'm going to convince my wife that I cannot live without a Doppler Radar based launch monitor:eek: Any suggestions?:D

For you - the limited edition, 1 of 2, Jennifer Aniston voice for the audibles, gold plated, Hank Haney autographed, Charles Barkley endorsed, $125K Planeman 4D LM.:D
 
For you - the limited edition, 1 of 2, Jennifer Aniston voice for the audibles, gold plated, Hank Haney autographed, Charles Barkley endorsed, $125K Planeman 4D LM.:D

Thanks man, but I'd much rather have Beyonce' voiced, platinum, Tiger's "women" autographed all 20 of them or whatever, endorsed by the Jackass that said TRACKMAN isn't useable in lessons, and all for under $100K;):D
 
Wow.. fantastic picture quality. Nice swing too. This video is so good I heard Hank was using it to show Ray where the top of the backswing is.
 

Brian Manzella

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Jeff Mann.

Jeff Mann, a doctor who loves to study the golf swing, and is not a teacher or player, ripped me and TrackMan up today on another forum.

"I actually think that this video shows that Trackman has little value.

Brian has an inconsistent swing in terms of clubface/clubhead path through impact - despite a consistent swing pattern (reverse slot swing style). On his third shot he pulled the ball left because of his inability to consistently generate an appropriately accurate clubhead path and clubface orientation. The Trackman readings simply confirm that Brian cannot control his clubhead path/clubface orientation consistently from swing-to-swing.

Now, if Brian has an inconsistent clubhead path/clubface orientation from swing-to-swing, then can you imagine what will happen with a 20 handicap golfer. His Trackman readings will vary considerably from swing-to-swing, and that 20-handicap golfer still needs to learn how to move his body/arms in space. I don't need Trackman to pick up gross errors in clubhead path and clubface orientation at impact in a high handicap, inconsistent golfer.

I think that Trackman may be invaluable for a professional golfer who is trying to fine-tune his swing, but I still cannot understand why it should be deemed to be useful for an inconsistent, high handicap golfer.

Jeff."​

I have talked to Jeff on the phone, and he is a smart enough guy, but he is WAY WAY OFF on this one.

So I let him have it:

JEFF: I actually think that this video shows that Trackman has little value.

BRIAN: I have been teaching 28 years, and I think it is the single best thing ever invented.

I said the same thing when I did not own one, so this is NOT marketing.

As much a golf swing junkie as you are Jeff, if I gave you one, the world may never hear from you again.

JEFF:
Brian has an inconsistent swing in terms of clubface/clubhead path through impact - despite a consistent swing pattern (reverse slot swing style). On his third shot he pulled the ball left because of his inability to consistently generate an appropriately accurate clubhead path and clubface orientation. The Trackman readings simply confirm that Brian cannot control his clubhead path/clubface orientation consistently from swing-to-swing.


BRIAN: That is just wrong.

Do you think I was trying 100% on every shot?

I was trying to make swings that were a little sloppy and then show how I could fix them quickly.

One day soon, when the TrackMan combine is out (an 80 ball test that everyone from Tiger to Mr. Fanerkle will take and have a score on) you'll find out how well old Manzella can hit it.

Right after the video, I took the 10 ball APPROACH TEST test from 160 yards out.

I would normally use a 7-iron, but it was cold and I was using range balls, so I used a 6.

Here is my score:
91points.jpg


Trackman gives you points for how close to the hole you get, and then assigns a "a handicap" to the scores.

For example a hacker would make like 20 points, and TrackMan would assign those shots a handicap of 35 or so.

My handicap for the 91 points...+10

You are WAY OFF on all this Jeff.

Just like the goofballs who make fun of the D-Plane's importance.

I'll accept your apology on my swing and your despise fro TrackMan any time.

BTW, I hit 13 of 14 fairways today at English Turn in the wind.

Must be that loop.​
 
Brian Manzella said:
I was trying to make swings that were a little sloppy and then show how I could fix them quickly.

It was obvious to me you were trying different swings for effect. Cool video and your swing looks good a lot more left now. Who is Jeff Mann???
 

Brian Manzella

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It was obvious to me you were trying different swings for effect. Cool video and your swing looks good a lot more left now.

I am hitting it very good.

Trust me, that 91 "ain't no joke."


Yeah looking sloppy or not..the swing looks great I think.

Well, at 205 and flunking every single TPI test, it won't look very pretty.

But, did Trevino's? Moe's? Landers'? Barbers? Allen Doyle's?
 

ej20

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Nothing wrong with that little loop.You can throw in Lietzke and Calcavecchia who had it also.Not everyone can have a picture friendly swing due to flexibibility issues.
 
One thing I wonder about this video is in the video you showed of your swing long ago working with Ben Doyle, you had a double shift. Now you have a single shift. Is there a reason for that or did it just happen naturally over time? And if it did happen naturally over time...any ideas as to why it happened that way?




3JACK
 

Brian Manzella

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One thing I wonder about this video is in the video you showed of your swing long ago working with Ben Doyle, you had a double shift. Now you have a single shift. Is there a reason for that or did it just happen naturally over time? And if it did happen naturally over time...any ideas as to why it happened that way?

Yes.

I think the answer is so good, and so important, that we make that one of the ones we'll use on the little interview we need to do.
 
Hacker + TrackMan + poor/no instructor = problem city (way too much to think about)
Hacker/Pro/Whoever + TrackMan + GOOD instructor = on your way to better golf folks, period
 
Brian, I would love to see your use of Trackman in a 15-handicapper's lesson. I would love to see how the TM information is used to instruct the student. Can we do this?

I'd like to see this also. How would Brian work a mid handicapper with more inconsistencies in his numbers and how he works with them to zero them out.
 

westy

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Does Dr mann realize in the real world you cant get a human to repeat something with any precision unless he knows exactly what he is trying to do?
And...
has ... effective reliable feedback. (cheers pelzy)
Improving movement patterns is crap if you dont understand how to apply it to the D-Plane, you might just hit it further into the garbage.:eek:
 
I understand the numbers - I'm just thinking of someone who is not as familiar with Trackman - probably a stupid idea.

I'm sorry I should have been more clear, I wasn't really writing that for you, Michael. You know way more than I do about Trackman numbers and the golf swing. Like you said, I too was directing it more toward people trying to figure out a way to remember how to read the - or + that weren't familiar with the #'s.
 

Jim Kobylinski

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Jeff Mann, a doctor who loves to study the golf swing, and is not a teacher or player, ripped me and TrackMan up today on another forum.

"I actually think that this video shows that Trackman has little value.

Brian has an inconsistent swing in terms of clubface/clubhead path through impact - despite a consistent swing pattern (reverse slot swing style). On his third shot he pulled the ball left because of his inability to consistently generate an appropriately accurate clubhead path and clubface orientation. The Trackman readings simply confirm that Brian cannot control his clubhead path/clubface orientation consistently from swing-to-swing.

Now, if Brian has an inconsistent clubhead path/clubface orientation from swing-to-swing, then can you imagine what will happen with a 20 handicap golfer. His Trackman readings will vary considerably from swing-to-swing, and that 20-handicap golfer still needs to learn how to move his body/arms in space. I don't need Trackman to pick up gross errors in clubhead path and clubface orientation at impact in a high handicap, inconsistent golfer.

I think that Trackman may be invaluable for a professional golfer who is trying to fine-tune his swing, but I still cannot understand why it should be deemed to be useful for an inconsistent, high handicap golfer.

Jeff."​

I have talked to Jeff on the phone, and he is a smart enough guy, but he is WAY WAY OFF on this one.

So I let him have it:

JEFF: I actually think that this video shows that Trackman has little value.

BRIAN: I have been teaching 28 years, and I think it is the single best thing ever invented.

I said the same thing when I did not own one, so this is NOT marketing.

As much a golf swing junkie as you are Jeff, if I gave you one, the world may never hear from you again.

JEFF:
Brian has an inconsistent swing in terms of clubface/clubhead path through impact - despite a consistent swing pattern (reverse slot swing style). On his third shot he pulled the ball left because of his inability to consistently generate an appropriately accurate clubhead path and clubface orientation. The Trackman readings simply confirm that Brian cannot control his clubhead path/clubface orientation consistently from swing-to-swing.


BRIAN: That is just wrong.

Do you think I was trying 100% on every shot?

I was trying to make swings that were a little sloppy and then show how I could fix them quickly.

One day soon, when the TrackMan combine is out (an 80 ball test that everyone from Tiger to Mr. Fanerkle will take and have a score on) you'll find out how well old Manzella can hit it.

Right after the video, I took the 10 ball APPROACH TEST test from 160 yards out.

I would normally use a 7-iron, but it was cold and I was using range balls, so I used a 6.

Here is my score:
91points.jpg


Trackman gives you points for how close to the hole you get, and then assigns a "a handicap" to the scores.

For example a hacker would make like 20 points, and TrackMan would assign those shots a handicap of 35 or so.

My handicap for the 91 points...+10

You are WAY OFF on all this Jeff.

Just like the goofballs who make fun of the D-Plane's importance.

I'll accept your apology on my swing and your despise fro TrackMan any time.

BTW, I hit 13 of 14 fairways today at English Turn in the wind.

Must be that loop.​

meh...more reasons why i don't really visit anymore golf sites other than this one anymore. It just isn't worth the politics or the games. I really do have a great appreciation for the guys who make golf their life and their business, there really isn't quite anything like it.

I'm glad it's my "weekend" gig. lol
 
I think what Brian showed in the 11 minute video is the ability to adjust quickly and not make the same mistake over and over so when you do have a 30 hdcp who slices the teacher can make the adjustment and the student will get the numbers quickly to show how close he or she is on the very next swing trying to get the clubface from open to square. Its obvious that Trackman cuts to the chase in minutes you can make the student go from a to z in the swing and the proof is the voice!
 
I know it's been said before, but I wish they would make a cheaper version

I think Tuxen knows the importance of his creation and important role it will play with golf instruction and clubfitting.

Plus I'm sure that doppler radar technology isn't that cheap. Does anyone out there know what this technology costs and what it would take to put it in a box and sell it?

Matt
 
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