VOTE: Why Pros use Elbow Plane

[Brian Manzella]

Unimpressed.

Your "review" wasn't too accurate.

What I say on the video, that, btw, you are the first person who didn't like it, is that HOGAN had left side sag, NOT RFT.

But, I should have been clearer about that.

As far as the "lagging clubhead takeaway" which I do cover in the video, it WAS the the"dot matrix" notes, but, I guess it didn't make in into the real notes, huh?

You can't have it both ways. poo-poo Brian because he said some thing wouldn't make in into the REAL 7th edition, and poo-poo him because they did.

So, Flat, we know you agenda, what is your name?

 

[Brian Manzella]

You don't know me from Adam, do you?

Nice?

I'm not nice?

Read your BAITing Post, sir. I was defending myself at worst.

 

[Brian Manzella]

Why are you even ON this site?

FLATLEFTWRIST Baiting Comment DIG:
"But because you stop reading when the pictures stop, you haven't learned the RFT. You've fooled anyone who believes you into thinking that the RFT is an over exaggerated club yanking procedure. It's not. It's actually very elegant and simple."

BRIAN MANZELLA RESPONSE:
"But because you stop reading when the pictures stop, you haven't learned the RFT."
What a goofy comment. I was taught the RFT by a guy named Lynn Blake. He told me I was doing it correctly. So go ask him why YOU SAY I didn't "get it."

BTW, on my own (I do things occasionally on my own), I started teaching some golfers a HANDS pull the pivot TAKEAWAY in about 1994. The ONLY difference between the RFT and the Manzella-HPTPT is where the golfer's focus is.

In case you don't know—but I am sure you know everything there is to know about golf—the reason Homer used the right forearm, was becuase most golfers will cock their right wrist on the backswing. I know this, but trust me, none of my student do this becuase I teach it out of them.

So, as for your little dig. Manzella 100, FLW 0

 

[rundmc]

I disagree strongly!

The Shoulder Turn Takeaway has gotten a bad rap from the 'east coast tgm' school of thought. But, like it or not guys, most people play better with one (done correctly) and the Hall-of-Fame has next no ZERO Right Forearm Takeaway "members."

The Shoulder Turn Takeaway will promote—but NOT guarantee an Elbow Plane starting plane, and LOTS of those guys wind up as SINGLE SHIFTers.

The club tends to want to start up on its OWN plane in the takeaway, and 99.999999999999999999% of players don't have the club on the Turned Shoulder Plane at address.

Whew.

Boss, where did you get Shoulder Turn Takeaway "bad" in my post? Whenever a Tour guy talks about his move it is always about "moving my core" "turning" etc.

In the 7th in 7-23 it says . . . .

In fact, the Elbow Plane is normally a "Pivot Controlled Hands" Component, as discussed in 10-6-B and 10-24-F.

This ain't new but in 7-7 it says . . .

Players often – consciously or subconsciously – employ more than one of the “natural” Planes. The Shoulder Planes are the more consciously employed – the Elbow Plane the more – almost totally – subconsciously used.

 

[rundmc]

Your "review" wasn't too accurate.

What I say on the video, that, btw, you are the first person who didn't like it, is that HOGAN had left side sag, NOT RFT.

But, I should have been clearer about that.

As far as the "lagging clubhead takeaway" which I do cover in the video, it WAS the the"dot matrix" notes, but, I guess it didn't make in into the real notes, huh?

You can't have it both ways. poo-poo Brian because he said some thing wouldn't make in into the REAL 7th edition, and poo-poo him because they did.

So, Flat, we know you agenda, what is your name?

It made it in there but he never really defined it that I saw . . . check 10-9-A . . . It's there. But I can't find where he actually gave his take on it.

 

[Jim Kobylinski]

Brian, take a deep breath and relax. There isn't anything wrong with the STT unless it's disruptive; meaning too flat and too inside. The "East Coast Guys" understand the issues.

Tell that to:

snead
singh
nelson
etc etc

All yank the club way inside and couldn't draw a straight plane line (at least on the backswing) to save their life. But i guess by magic they all find a way to reach the TSP at the top of the swing.

The RFT is a good procedure to acquire a TSP. But because you stop reading when the pictures stop, you haven't learned the RFT. You've fooled anyone who believes you into thinking that the RFT is an over exaggerated club yanking procedure. It's not. It's actually very elegant and simple.

Preach to the choir somewhere else, Lynn taught brian how to execute the RFP so if Brian is doing it wrong, i guess Lynn is doing it wrong.

 

[birdie_man]

How can ANYONE IN THEIR RIGHT MIND LOOK AT THE PICTURES OF HOGAN IN THE ABOVE LINK AND THINK FOR ONE MINUTE THAT HE IS USING THE RIGHT FOREARM TAKEAWAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

HIS LEFT SHOULDER HAS MOVED SO FAR IN THE FIRST TWO FRAMES IT IS A JOKE.

NEXT.

Brian what link dood?

[EDIT]

O ic.....your 55 analysis.

 

[Flatleftwrist]

Tell that to:

snead
singh
nelson
etc etc

All yank the club way inside and couldn't draw a straight plane line (at least on the backswing) to save their life. But i guess by magic they all find a way to reach the TSP at the top of the swing.



Preach to the choir somewhere else, Lynn taught brian how to execute the RFP so if Brian is doing it wrong, i guess Lynn is doing it wrong.

Jim, relax. Brian didn't fully read the post. Because he misinterpreted the post he started jumping up and down again. I was only trying to explain that nothing is wrong with the STT.

 

[birdie_man]

K so now that everyone has scrapped a bit...

We miss anything significant with "why do pros use Elbow Plane?"

You said we got 90%.

 

[Brian Manzella]

The good old elbow plane.

The answer is the same as the answer to THIS question...

How did the Pros learn lag and trigger delay?

 

[rundmc]

The answer is the same as the answer to THIS question...

How did the Pros learn lag and trigger delay?

Players often – consciously or subconsciously – employ more than one of the “natural” Planes. The Shoulder Planes are the more consciously employed – the Elbow Plane the more – almost totally – subconsciously used.

SUBCONSCIOUSLY. INSTINCTIVELY.

That's my story and I'm stickin' to it.

 

[birdie_man]

By feel? Naturally?

Because it works?

 

[Brian Manzella]

Absoultely correct Run/bucket!

But...


WHY???

 

[rundmc]

But...


WHY???

'Cause they grip it more in the Right Hand Fangers than Palm? Elbow has to drop inorder for the Right Forearm and Shaft to get in the same plane.

 

[Brian Manzella]

'Cause they grip it more in the Right Hand Fangers than Palm? Elbow has to drop inorder for the Right Forearm and Shaft to get in the same plane.

99% of all player on tour grip the club in the fingers.

99% of the Hall-of-Fame grip it in the fingers.

Maybe they grip it in the FINGERS for a really good reason.

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So, IMHO, that is not really an answer.

...with all due respect Mr. 12 piece.

 

[rundmc]

99% of all player on tour grip the club in the fingers.

99% of the Hall-of-Fame grip it in the fingers.

Maybe they grip it in the FINGERS for a really good reason.

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So, IMHO, that is not really an answer.

...with all due respect Mr. 12 piece.

Dude . . . you're a TEASE . . . when are you gonna drop the answer? I'm all hot and bothered now. Give it up! Turn it loose!

 

[mb6606]

Elbow plane allows the golfer to attach the elbow to the right hip on the downswing. The pivot and right hip rotate driving the club through contact. Watch the Hogan Demo swing clip.

 

[tourdeep]

how bout this...

the majority of pro's angle of attack (angle line path) makes the "true" elbow plane automatic.

 

[shootin4par]

if it is not because centrifugal for dictates it, please tell me why. This discussion has gone on too long and the answers are too coplicated. . cetrifugal force causes a straight line condition, the closer the club gets to impact, the faster it is swinging, the more centrifugal force is involved, the more a straight line condition occurs. If I am wrong, enlighten me

 

[birdie_man]

Crowds gettin restless.

Now where's my dang pitchfork...