Flatleftwrist
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The right forearm cannot be on plane unless the right Elbow is On Plane. Maybe they return to the Elbow Plane for impact because they began the swing on the Elbow Plane.
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VOTE: Why Pros use Elbow Plane
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golfbulldog
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Darwin
This is true ... and it means that IF there is true benefit in right forearm on plane then it takes precedent over having a level wrist at impact.
You can not have a level wrist at impact , grip the club in the fingers of the right hand AND have right forearm on plane at impact.
PLEASE can we stop saying things happen subconciously, naturally... making it sound as though there is no underlying reason for it! Things in nature occur for one of two reasons... it makes you a winner ( in life or sexual reproduction) or it does you no harm ( in life or reproductive success)...that is nature.
The tour pro does stuff because it brings success...
rundmc said:
This is true ... and it means that IF there is true benefit in right forearm on plane then it takes precedent over having a level wrist at impact.
You can not have a level wrist at impact , grip the club in the fingers of the right hand AND have right forearm on plane at impact.
PLEASE can we stop saying things happen subconciously, naturally... making it sound as though there is no underlying reason for it! Things in nature occur for one of two reasons... it makes you a winner ( in life or sexual reproduction) or it does you no harm ( in life or reproductive success)...that is nature.
The tour pro does stuff because it brings success...
Jim Kobylinski
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Brian Manzella said:
By swinging heavy clubs as a kid that didn't know any better.
close?
Brian Manzella
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Jim is very close.
You got half of it, just not the half I was asking about.
You got half of it, just not the half I was asking about.
birdie_man
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Well shoot....ya man lots of pros do.
Brian Manzella
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Working on my more PC questions and answers...
Maybe someone could help me understand...
Why would anyone not want to grip the club in the fingers of the right hand?
Thanks in advance,
Brian
Maybe someone could help me understand...
Why would anyone not want to grip the club in the fingers of the right hand?
Thanks in advance,
Brian
Brian Manzella said:Maybe someone could help me understand...
Why would anyone not want to grip the club in the fingers of the right hand?
Thanks in advance,
Brian
Boss . . . You know the Kool Aid style answer to this right? You are STILL TEASING us! This is worse than my teenage dating hell college . . . or marriage!
Give it up! Take us to the land of milk and honey.
Brian Manzella
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Not kool-aid or band-aid, but the cold hard facts...
The VAST majority of good players and the overwhelming majority of GREAT players, grip it in their fingers.
In the 25 years I have (in my opinion) taught the grip as well as anyone I have seen, studied or stole from, I have harly ever (maybe a dozen times) had a golfer grip the club in their right palm.
It is INFERIOR in every way—again, in my opinion.
It IS what 90% of all bad golfers already do, and then I fix 'em.
Now if Jones, and Hogan, and Snead and Nelson, and Miller and Weiskoff and Watson and Faldo and Norman and Woods, ALL do something...I think that 'ship has sailed."
I will say that KJ and DLIII have great swings.
The VAST majority of good players and the overwhelming majority of GREAT players, grip it in their fingers.
In the 25 years I have (in my opinion) taught the grip as well as anyone I have seen, studied or stole from, I have harly ever (maybe a dozen times) had a golfer grip the club in their right palm.
It is INFERIOR in every way—again, in my opinion.
It IS what 90% of all bad golfers already do, and then I fix 'em.
Now if Jones, and Hogan, and Snead and Nelson, and Miller and Weiskoff and Watson and Faldo and Norman and Woods, ALL do something...I think that 'ship has sailed."
I will say that KJ and DLIII have great swings.
tongzilla
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How much to grip in fingers of right hand?
I say the visual difference between gripping the club in the fingers vesus more towards the palm is so small it is not detectable, unless you have the golfer right in front of you to inspect. So I am surprised when people say they can tell the difference, unless it is towards the extreme (i.e. grip toward the tip of the fingers vs grip deep into the right palm).
A good way to determine how much to grip it in your fingers with your right hand is to test the amount of impact support you have. Try putting the leading edge of your clubface against a vertical surface (e.g. a wall) and push against it with your normal grip. You should be in a Impact Fix kind of position. Now vary the amount of grip that is in the fingers of your right hand. You should find an optimum where it is obvious you get maximum support.
I say the visual difference between gripping the club in the fingers vesus more towards the palm is so small it is not detectable, unless you have the golfer right in front of you to inspect. So I am surprised when people say they can tell the difference, unless it is towards the extreme (i.e. grip toward the tip of the fingers vs grip deep into the right palm).
A good way to determine how much to grip it in your fingers with your right hand is to test the amount of impact support you have. Try putting the leading edge of your clubface against a vertical surface (e.g. a wall) and push against it with your normal grip. You should be in a Impact Fix kind of position. Now vary the amount of grip that is in the fingers of your right hand. You should find an optimum where it is obvious you get maximum support.
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birdie_man
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Brian Manzella said:You got half of it, just not the half I was asking about.
What's the rest?
shootin4par
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maybe the ego needs to be stroked some more before we get that answerbirdie_man said:
Flatleftwrist
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Summarizing Answers to the question; "Why do Pro's use the Elbow Plane in the Downswing".
1. It’s a very common delivery path for your hands
2. It may have to do with not wanting to miss left
3. That’s the shaft position that makes impact feel the most solid
4. The natural plane which occurs just before the right arm straightens is elbow plane
5. That is the plane of most swings that gets results
6. It is also the plane that Brian uses in Building Blocks
7. Because most players are swingers…
8. Because centrifugal force dictates it
9. is the plane where the trail elbow is most connected w/the pivot
10. The elbow plane allows the club to be as close as perpendicular to the angle of the spine
11. Support from the right wedge and 'the bat', the right elbow and the 'magic'.
12. you're FORCED to use the elbow plane if you want to play your best. (because of club fitting)
13. it mostly has to do with not wanting to miss left, "what physics wants you to do,"
14. They are on the Elbow Plane because they all use a shoulder turn takeaway
15. The club tends to want to start up on its OWN plane in the takeaway…(Elbow Plane)
16. the Elbow Plane is normally a "Pivot Controlled Hands" Component, as discussed in 10-6-B and 10-24-F.
17. the Elbow Plane the more – almost totally – subconsciously used.
18. Because it works?
19. 'Cause they grip it more in the Right Hand Fingers than Palm? Elbow has to drop in order for the Right Forearm and Shaft to get in the same plane.
20. Elbow plane allows the golfer to attach the elbow to the right hip on the downswing. The pivot and right hip rotate driving the club through contact
21. the majority of pro's angle of attack (angle line path) makes the "true" elbow plane automatic
22. they return to the Elbow Plane for impact because they began the swing on the Elbow Plane.
23. Because they all rotate the hosel around the sweet-spot
24. By swinging heavy clubs as a kid that didn't know any better.
25. Because they are swingers. And because they achieved trigger delay by float loading.
Summarizing Answers to the question; "Why do Pro's use the Elbow Plane in the Downswing".
1. It’s a very common delivery path for your hands
2. It may have to do with not wanting to miss left
3. That’s the shaft position that makes impact feel the most solid
4. The natural plane which occurs just before the right arm straightens is elbow plane
5. That is the plane of most swings that gets results
6. It is also the plane that Brian uses in Building Blocks
7. Because most players are swingers…
8. Because centrifugal force dictates it
9. is the plane where the trail elbow is most connected w/the pivot
10. The elbow plane allows the club to be as close as perpendicular to the angle of the spine
11. Support from the right wedge and 'the bat', the right elbow and the 'magic'.
12. you're FORCED to use the elbow plane if you want to play your best. (because of club fitting)
13. it mostly has to do with not wanting to miss left, "what physics wants you to do,"
14. They are on the Elbow Plane because they all use a shoulder turn takeaway
15. The club tends to want to start up on its OWN plane in the takeaway…(Elbow Plane)
16. the Elbow Plane is normally a "Pivot Controlled Hands" Component, as discussed in 10-6-B and 10-24-F.
17. the Elbow Plane the more – almost totally – subconsciously used.
18. Because it works?
19. 'Cause they grip it more in the Right Hand Fingers than Palm? Elbow has to drop in order for the Right Forearm and Shaft to get in the same plane.
20. Elbow plane allows the golfer to attach the elbow to the right hip on the downswing. The pivot and right hip rotate driving the club through contact
21. the majority of pro's angle of attack (angle line path) makes the "true" elbow plane automatic
22. they return to the Elbow Plane for impact because they began the swing on the Elbow Plane.
23. Because they all rotate the hosel around the sweet-spot
24. By swinging heavy clubs as a kid that didn't know any better.
25. Because they are swingers. And because they achieved trigger delay by float loading.
birdie_man
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Good job FLW. (thumbs up)
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