Why Always Hogan?

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Kevin Shields

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Please don't anyone get me wrong. I like rapping about Hogan as much as anyone. However, I'm always interested in why there is soooo much interest in his swing only. True, maybe the best striker ever, but mechanically, is that really the best swing? I mean, nobody, for whatever reason, has been able to duplicate it. He had to use super doctored up clubs to perform it and basically came up with it to fix a rat hook. Is there another swing out there from a technical standpoint that would garner as much interest as a model to discuss. Elk? Faldo? Tiger? Nelson? Don't mean to offend anyone who loves Big Ben :)
 

Brian Manzella

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The Case for the Greatest Golf Swing.

I have given David Toms about 100's of hours of golf lessons. Almost everyone loves his swing. I am including PGA Tour pros, who often walk by just to watch.

David has won over 27 million dollars, over a dozen tournaments, and a Major.

To me, even THAT doesn't qualify.

Multiple Major first ballot Hall-of-Famers only. Not some guy who never won, or a "should-have-been."

It (the swing) is just not PROVEN enough. Sorry.
 

Dariusz J.

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Well...if the criterium is that the mechanically best swing is this one that produces the best results (length, consistency, reaching intended goals, etc.) - it was Mr.Hogan's late swing - noone ever had or has now better swing in this regard.
You can always assume that someone else's swing is mechanically better if the criteria you take are different though.

Cheers

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What makes hogans swing so great? I`m not a teacher or some one with authority on swings but bobby jones seemed to hit the ball so pure. and coulda been the best of best if had continued playing..jmo
 

Leek

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I'm not really sure why. Hogan was a great ballstriker and a great player, but like everyone else, had his own physical limitations and quirks. I always view his swing as a perfect example who developed as close as possible to the perfect pattern for HIM.

I don't believe it is the perfect pattern for everyone.
 

tank

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Ben Hogan was obviously a great player with a great swing(s).

However, I believe that the disproportionate interest can be attributed to the mystery that surrounds the man.

Hogan was very aloof with the media. So much so that when they could not get close enough to get information for interesting reports about him, they effected and perpetuated the story of him possessing a great secret about the golf swing.

No doubt that Hogan’s private nature in general, and especially about what worked so well for his own swing, only helped to feed the mystique.

That’s enough for most of us golfers who want to believe that there is some one great secret, and that once it’s unlocked, we will become the golfer that we always dreamed of.

Plus, there is all the stuff about Hogan’s life that would make for a great Hollywood movie … His dad’s suicide, his near death car wreck, his steely determination and triumphant return to championship golf, and his machine like work ethic.

That all makes for pretty juicy stuff.

That is just my take on the Hogan Mania.
 
Yes there maybe some myths, and that has created the 'mystique' that surrounds him and his legacy.

But what isn't a mystique is the fact he understood his own swing more than any other player in history, and we can have an insight into this when you study his book AND take his teachings to the range. Its this combination on total undertsanding allied with an incredible book that means the guy will always have a place in any golf discussion.

His swing gave him incredible control and that also adds to the fascination. His clubs were not heavily modified (except his driver), although he used negative bounce (except the 8 iron) and very stiff shafts. I fail to see how this constitutes as ' He had to use super doctored up clubs to perform'. They were simply customised, as many other players have done, such as Nicklaus with his back wieghting.

He was a small man who generated a hell of a lot of club head speed with incredible ball control. that for me sums up why his swing is analysed so much, he achieved the holy grail in golf, power with control, thats it in a nutshell for me. Add to that he taught himself this swing, took no lessons and literally figured it all out by hitting tens of thousands of balls.

However, his swing isn't for everyone, it takes alot of hard work and practice. There have been other methods, one planerism, in various guises, now we have stack and tilt or whatever, lots of other theories that work for many players. Hogan's work is for a dedicated player with a love of mechanics, which I have. Standing on a range for 2 hours working through minute points of theory using his book is a delight, and is a hobby. Others like to go and play a round of golf, I don't, I prefer to work on my swing. This is why his legacy lives on, you can NEVER ever ever finish your own analysis using his book, it just goes on and on and on.

Tell me one modern swing that can stand up to that level of scrutiny and analysis?

The guy lived and breathed swing mechanics, like no other player ever did or maybe ever will.
 

rwh

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I'm always interested in why there is soooo much interest in his swing only.

One reason there is so much interest in Hogan's swing is that so many of his peers recognized him as the best.

Jack Nicklaus was asked whether Tiger Woods is the greatest ball-striker he's ever seen, he replied quickly, "No, no -- Ben Hogan, easily."

Tom Weiskopf said "Every time I'd play with [Hogan], I could play pretty well—I felt like I was a caddie. I felt like I shouldn't even be out there. He played that much better than anybody else, in my mind, in my estimation, of the players that I ever saw play the game."

Tommy Bolt said, "Hogan. He was long and straight. Very long . . . he was the greatest player I ever played with. If he could putt 25 percent as well as Palmer could, he would have won 50 more tournaments. Don't forget that he made all the putts he had to make to win his nine majors.

In my opinion, it's not important to "look like" Hogan or anyone else, but to understand the principles upon which the swing is built. Anyone can apply a principle, but they may look a little different in the execution.
 
In my opinion, it's not important to "look like" Hogan or anyone else, but to understand the principles upon which the swing is built. Anyone can apply a principle, but they may look a little different in the execution.


I think that this is something that a lot of modern instruction ignores. With the explosion of the use of video in lessons, I think that a lot of instructors are overly emphasizing form over function; position golf at its finest, you know? It's one of the reasons that I've been so leery about taking lessons, and it's one of the things I like about this site. Brian favors results, and worries about form only as it relates to helping you hit the ball better.
 
Multiple Major first ballot Hall-of-Famers only. Not some guy who never won, or a "should-have-been."

It (the swing) is just not PROVEN enough. Sorry.

Sam Snead won more events than ANYONE, and his motion lasted well into old age. While Hogan was in his rocker lamenting about that damn hook... Sammy was still slammin':)

More wins + longevity = GOAT

Winning percentage for a small length of time doesn't negate the above:)

Snead's pattern is easier to copy.
 
My father and I played with Sam a number of times at Greenbriar and to this day I just can't imagine anyone any better.

Sam Snead won more events than ANYONE, and his motion lasted well into old age. While Hogan was in his rocker lamenting about that damn hook... Sammy was still slammin':)

More wins + longevity = GOAT

Winning percentage for a small length of time doesn't negate the above:)

Snead's pattern is easier to copy.
 

Dariusz J.

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Sam Snead won more events than ANYONE, and his motion lasted well into old age. While Hogan was in his rocker lamenting about that damn hook... Sammy was still slammin':)

More wins + longevity = GOAT

Winning percentage for a small length of time doesn't negate the above:)

Snead's pattern is easier to copy.

"There's only three things I fear on a golf course, lightning, a downhill putt and Ben Hogan." – Sam Snead

LOL
 
RWH hit...

...the nail on the head- it was the respect from Mr. Hogan's peers. Do other tour professionals stop hitting balls on the range and watch Tiger? And to Billy the Worm...why do you practice so much? You would rather practice than play? Then WHY do you practice? Mr. Hogan practiced, so that when he played, he could shoot the lowest score. He loved to practice, yes, but he REALLY LOVED TO PLAY. Or are you only referring to Mr. Hogan after his competitive days were over? And finally, I always had the highest regard for Sam Snead, and he had a tremendous record and accomplished so much...BUT ...everyone agrees the US Open is the toughest tournament to win. So how many Opens did Mr. Snead win? Mr. Hogan had 5 USGA medals in his collection.
 

Chris Sturgess

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This "Mr. Hogan" stuff is so silly. So many people act like they are going to get a badge of honor in some kind of butt kissing cult by calling him that. No one says Mr. Nicklaus or Mr. Woods. Why? because they don't have such an insanely haughty mystique around them. The guy hit golf balls, he didn't invent the wheel and cure cancer, and even if a guy did both of those two things he should be a lot less of a prick than Hogan. The reason that Hogan has such an ass kissing following around him is because of two things, he was one of the greatest ball strikers ever, and he was an asshole. Congrats on the ball striking Benjy, but your personality sucked.


I would recommend a lot of swing models to copy to the average golfer over Hogan's. It is very awkward for almost everybody to have a flat backswing where the hands don't get above shoulder height, and with a ton of lag. 99% of people would be better off trying to swing like Snead.

I think Jack Nicklaus' swing is pretty amazing. He hit the ball much farther than anyone with it. And it's not like the ball didn't go where he wanted to. I would take Jack's long game over Hogan's on a long course. Jack would bomb it by him by a mile and hit all the par 5's in two and have wedges into par 4's while Hogan would have wedges into the 5's and 6 irons into the 4's. On a short course I'd go with Hogan.

Along with Tiger 2000, Vijay and Els have swings that are tough to beat.
 
Please don't mention Woods in the same league of Snead and Hogan. Never.

Cheers

Why not? Woods is the best putter, approach specialist, and short game player to ever play the game. Seve Seve... being cute doesn't make you the greatest of all time. Card a low score and go home. Nicklaus about Tiger, he doesn't make any mental errors or bad decisions.

Sam vs Woods would be a great match.

Did Mac copy Hogan's game plan, build a mystery around your procedure and the sheep will follow, or in Hogan's case they will believe you have some kind of secret.

Hogans crippled man's pattern has historical relevance, but not the best choice for the majority of golfers. Hogan hated that pattern:) He thought it sucked, but you guys want to exalt it.

:) He would have played better with my pattern.

Someone tell me the story of Hogan's last tour event round of golf. Hogan did not dance with the devil and laugh with the gods. The game defeated him like it does most men.

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