Why Always Hogan?
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Jared Willerson
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What, the stats of 'what if' he had not had a car accident? Its a pointless arguement, Snead had a full career, Hogan did not, due to a serious car accident. Hogan had 64 wins in 21 years, Snead 84 in 29, practically the same.
But I really couldn't care less really, Snead didn't win one US Open against Hogan, yet Hogan won four. That says it all. I suggest you check the stats a little closer
Whatever the debate about stats between the two, those 4 US Opens stand alone as testamount to a superior golfer. Snead got 'miffed' because he could not beat Hogan when it mattered, on US Open courses.
I have neither the time or inclination to go back and search for the context in which Snead made his comments, but he did make them, not me.
I didn't check the stats. The US Open is not the only tournament that matters, there are 3 others. I am sure the other majors are what Snead was referring to.
I was not debating who is "superior", just trying to interject some of Snead's reaction to all of the "Hogan mystique". Which has been bantered about for nearly 60 years. Snead got tired of it; and right or wrong, felt he was just as good.
Please don't make these things personal, or give me directives to do anything.
To Chris:
...I refer to Mr. Hogan as "Mr. Hogan" because of my respect for him as 1) a man, 2) a player, 3) a businessman. I was fortunate to have dinner with Mr. Hogan in 1985. Although I spent just a few hours with him, I can honestly say that he was a very decent man, a little shy, but very warm and gracious. To describe him as you did makes everyone reading your post realize your level of ignorance.
Billy_the_worm
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"I didn't check the stats. The US Open is not the only tournament that matters, there are 3 others"
I don't deny that, I haven't said otherwise have I? But my reply wasn't aimed at you anyway, so chill. The 'check the stats' was a reply to someone else who 'directed' me to do such a thing, you have uneccessarily taken something personally, please read all the posts carefully. If I was directing anything at you, I would have said so. As it happens I wasn't. Someone else told me to 'check the stats' which like yourself I took as a little bit obtuse, hence the reply and smiley.
Some here think 20 PGA wins are worth more than 4 US Opens, which I totally disagree with, but its just one opinion against another.
I don't deny that, I haven't said otherwise have I? But my reply wasn't aimed at you anyway, so chill. The 'check the stats' was a reply to someone else who 'directed' me to do such a thing, you have uneccessarily taken something personally, please read all the posts carefully. If I was directing anything at you, I would have said so. As it happens I wasn't. Someone else told me to 'check the stats' which like yourself I took as a little bit obtuse, hence the reply and smiley.
Some here think 20 PGA wins are worth more than 4 US Opens, which I totally disagree with, but its just one opinion against another.
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self-mastery
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I think that 20 PGA tour wins are worth more than 4 US Opens. I'm not caught up in the importance of the majors, especially not the US Open and the PGA.
Snead 7 majors 82 PGAT 14 SPGA 70 OTHER!!! (What a closer)
Hogan 9 majors 64 wins
Even with my legs, Hogan wouldn't have had Snead's longevity.
Snead 7 majors 82 PGAT 14 SPGA 70 OTHER!!! (What a closer)
Hogan 9 majors 64 wins
Even with my legs, Hogan wouldn't have had Snead's longevity.
Billy_the_worm
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You have a point, Snead was incredible in terms of fitness and flexibility, I salute him for that, and the length of time he played at the very top to a very high standard. But I bet he would gladly trade those extra 20 tour wins for only a couple of those US Opens that Hogan had, probably only one to be honest. We will never know of course, and I wouldn't say I am caught up in any delusion of grandeur when it comes to majors, but the US Open divided the men from the boys and on those courses Hogan was the master, something I am sure bugged Snead.
thefuture37
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4 of any major is better than 20 regular wins. 1 major=fluke; 2majors=great player; 3 majors=hall of famer; 4+majors=legend; That is for a career. Something that gets lost in the majors for Hogan/Snead discussion is that up until 1958 the PGA was match play. Think about how many majors Jack and Tiger would have if it was still match play. Tiger would literally have somewhere around a .500 record at pga's lifetime if it were matchplay. So Snead's 7 majors(3pga) and Hogan's 9 majors(2pga) are still worthy of legendary status, but it is alot harder to win 7+ majors today then it was in their day, if only just because of the pga.
birdie_man
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Ya I caught that too and I thought it might've been a bit if a dig.....something like:
"Too bad Sam didn't play so well or we coulda had more of a match..."
birdie_man
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I try to deal with just the facts, Jack.
If you have something to point out you should just do so...
???
BTW at this point this topic could go on forever....we have 7 pages already heh.....
tank
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birdie,
not sure if you are taking exeption/offence to what I wrote, but it was a general statement, not directed at anyone specifically. Just a statement based on everything that was posted beforehand.
Take it at face value. There is no alternate or underlying statement there.
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birdie_man
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I'm not overly worried about how it relates to Hogan VS. Snead at this point but now that you've said it I say..........................
......so you would rather have 20 normal tour wins over 4 majors? (as a career)
i.e. Philly Mick before 2003. (or whenever he won his first Masters)
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BTW I am just a Canuck up here in the snow and have nothing against you folks down south but........so long as personal feelings are put aside, a major is a major, no?
(or at least if you ask a diverse group of people you will probably get The Masters, The US Open, and The [British] Open fairly equally.....it seems to me most would favour those 3 anyway)
Sorry to you Americans out there who may feel strongly about The US Open....but I don't mean to offend.
For a born and raised American though I guess winning the US Open generally is The Holy Grail.
(unless you are self-mastery)
birdie_man
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Kevin Shields
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I would say roughly twice as easy. And who are all these great players of the 50-ties you refer to. The game is global now and the fields are ten times as deep. Equipment, technology, instruction, etc., has narrowed the gap from average to great so it is much harder to separate oneself today. All you had to do back then is practice a little and stay sober to gain an edge.
JohnThomas1
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How very modest.
Billy_the_worm
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It certainly will go on forever if Jack and Tiger are continually thrown in for good measure. The poster just asked why 'is it always Hogan' and an earlier poster answered it perfectly, he conquered swing mechanics. Thats why he always gets discussed.
David Alford
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Here's a few misc. facts about Hogan, some irrelevant...what the heck...
He went to Yellowstone Park for a trip and did some fishing (interesting to me because I worked & fished in YP).
He went deer and duck hunting on occasion.
He had an oil insider friend and frequently drove out to west Texas to inspect drilling sites. Some of Hogan's wealth came from his success in oil speculation.
He liked to watch his swing positions in the mirror.
Someone showed him a pic they had taken of his address position and Hogan stared at the picture for several minutes before finally saying "that's right".
While on the road, he liked to practice putting on the carpet of his motel/hotel room since apparently he didn't get enough practice during daylight hrs.
One of his quotes is exactly the same as mine which tends to get ridiculed. Here it is word for word: "The golf swing is so simple, it's pathetic!". TGMers
take note...
Nevertheless, one of the books in his collection was a college text, Physics of Motion.
Once Mr. Hogan found himself in a golf swing discussion with a guru who apparently really knew his stuff. Hogan sidestepped further debate with the statement "I may not know everything about the golf swing, but I do understand my own swing".
He went to Yellowstone Park for a trip and did some fishing (interesting to me because I worked & fished in YP).
He went deer and duck hunting on occasion.
He had an oil insider friend and frequently drove out to west Texas to inspect drilling sites. Some of Hogan's wealth came from his success in oil speculation.
He liked to watch his swing positions in the mirror.
Someone showed him a pic they had taken of his address position and Hogan stared at the picture for several minutes before finally saying "that's right".
While on the road, he liked to practice putting on the carpet of his motel/hotel room since apparently he didn't get enough practice during daylight hrs.
One of his quotes is exactly the same as mine which tends to get ridiculed. Here it is word for word: "The golf swing is so simple, it's pathetic!". TGMers
take note...
Nevertheless, one of the books in his collection was a college text, Physics of Motion.
Once Mr. Hogan found himself in a golf swing discussion with a guru who apparently really knew his stuff. Hogan sidestepped further debate with the statement "I may not know everything about the golf swing, but I do understand my own swing".
David,
I hope you are not knocking TGM - I believe Homer said all you have to learn is 3 things. Take it up the turned shoulder plane, take it down the turned shoulder plane and learn a hinge. Simple.
birdie_man
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I saw that too....I figured he probably means the super "by-the-bookers."
David Alford
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Not anti TGMer pe se as there are some good golfers in that group. I'm just agreeing with Hogan the RELEVANT knowledge is very simple. But it has to be dead accurate, of course.
David Alford
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Also, a lot of interesting swing knowledge may not count for much. Consider:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HEgVnxeqJo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HEgVnxeqJo
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