Yale professor is on to something....
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palmreader
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Mandrin,
Where would the low point of this swing be located? WOuld it be opposite to the left shoulder as some have argued for "traditional swing"?[?]
Where would the low point of this swing be located? WOuld it be opposite to the left shoulder as some have argued for "traditional swing"?[?]
Brian Manzella
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Mandrin.
You would do golf and G.O.L.F. a great service if you took a different tone.
Mr. Kelley wasn't wrong on this point, just not complete.
So, show us why he is RIGHT and why he was INCOMPLETE.
Cool?
You would do golf and G.O.L.F. a great service if you took a different tone.
Mr. Kelley wasn't wrong on this point, just not complete.
So, show us why he is RIGHT and why he was INCOMPLETE.
Cool?
mandrin
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palmreader, I assume that you are referring to a swing where the clubhead moves along a straight line through impact. But don’t take the fact that theoretically one can have the clubhead moving on a perfect straight line trajectory too serious.
However, for such a swing the usage of “low point” is not appropriate as this implies a curvilinear motion such as, for instance, circular or elliptical, which allow to define a lowest point in the clubhead path through impact zone.
To overcome the conceptual difficulty of not being able to define a low point for a straight line impact trajectory one could perhaps replace the concept of ‘low point’ by the notion of having the hands ahead of the clubhead at impact.
If you forget everything you know about golf and just try to swing in such a way that your hands are just past the ball when impact occurs you are probably on your way to rather good ball striking. No intricate knowledge about swing centers, trajectories or low point required.
Brian Manzella
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"To overcome the conceptual difficulty of not being able to define a low point for a straight line impact trajectory one could perhaps replace the concept of ‘low point’ by the notion of having the hands ahead of the clubhead at impact. "
Impact Fix is the REAL answer.
Impact Fix is the REAL answer.
birdie_man
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It's always important how you put yourself forward....
Not to say we should ignore him cause of it.....but......it just can put you off.
No need to be anything but modest....most of the time.
Sometimes you have to be a little fiesty but...
Not to say we should ignore him cause of it.....but......it just can put you off.
No need to be anything but modest....most of the time.
Sometimes you have to be a little fiesty but...
Brian Manzella
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Whay can't the shaft be laying on a plane (slightly bowed for the bowed shaft) AND the sweetspot be on plane?
tongzilla
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quote:Originally posted by mandrin
MizunoJoe, fine, so what about HK’s very simple 2D model? It is basically and logically flawed as is clear from 2-F. Let me take you by the hand and show it to you.
Statement #1:
“The full length of the Clubshaft rermains unwavering on the face of this Inclined Plane - Waggle trough Follow-through. Every other Component of the stroke must be adjusted to comply with that requirement. See Sketch 1-L.”
Statement #2:
So there is a “Clubshaft” Plane and a “Sweet Spot”, or “Swing”, Plane.
Except during Impact, the Club Shaft can travel on, or to-and-from, either Plane because Club Shaft rotation must be around the Sweet Spot - not vice versa.
First it is said with emphasis that the clubshaft is remains unwavering on the face of an inclined plane. (Statement#1)
Next it is stated clearly that the clubshaft is moving between two planes. (Statement#2)
You can’t have it both ways simultaneously.
MizunoJoe, I am impatiently awaiting your logic contortions. However, I expect my post to be conveniently ignored.
Every once in a while someone brings this topic up.
For general purposes, the Clubshaft Plane is a good visual proxy to the Sweetspot Plane, especially if the Clubface is turned On Plane.
However, unless otherwise noted, Homer is always referring to the longitudinal Center of Gravity (the Sweetspot Plane). See 2-F.
Clubhead Lag is always a Sweetspot Feel, not Clubshaft Feel. But you may wonder if your Pressure Point #3 (the first joint of your Right Forefinger where it touches the Clubshaft) is touching the Clubshaft, how can you feel anything else other than the Clubshaft? The answer is that both the Sweetspot Plane and Clubshaft Plane goes through Pressure Point #3.
So the player should never monitor the Sweetspot in the Clubhead directly. Instead, he should Monitor (5-0) it via Lag Pressure Point Feel only.
mandrin
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circulus in probando
A use of reason in which the premises depends on or is equivalent to the conclusion - "this is used to prove that, and that is used to prove this".
petitio principii
The deduction contains a proposition that assumes the very thing the argument aims to prove; in essence, the proposition is used to prove itself.
In hundred years from now when HK will be long forgotten, tongzilla will still be using relentlessly the same arguments, using same citations, with same emphasis, same italics, same capitalization, etc. []
A use of reason in which the premises depends on or is equivalent to the conclusion - "this is used to prove that, and that is used to prove this".
petitio principii
The deduction contains a proposition that assumes the very thing the argument aims to prove; in essence, the proposition is used to prove itself.
In hundred years from now when HK will be long forgotten, tongzilla will still be using relentlessly the same arguments, using same citations, with same emphasis, same italics, same capitalization, etc. [
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birdie_man
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quote:Originally posted by mandrin
Your honor, am I allowed to put in a few words to lighten your lantern?
First of all, like in science, there is something called action and reaction.
Furthermore I get much of my inspiration from Brian’s modest approach. [
Your honor? You're just so witty mandrin.....
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I like Brian though....he genuinely tries to help people......he's genuine.
Not into the cocky scientist thing.
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I'm not saying you shouldn't still try to do what you're doing....I actually like people who question things....(don't generally like arrogant people).
I just think people generally get more support when they don't piss everyone off...makes it easier on yourself....don't care who you are....Brian, me, anyone. Don't care. I have a feeling you'd rather keep doing what you're doing though (a hunch)....so w/e.
birdie_man
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When he's long forgotten? 100% forgotten? No worthwhile contribution to golf? Well then mandrin....
Even you know that's an exaggeration.
And you also know (and everyone here knows) you're just trying to piss everyone off. Nice try.
Keep trying.
Even you know that's an exaggeration.
And you also know (and everyone here knows) you're just trying to piss everyone off. Nice try.
Keep trying.
birdie_man
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Ahahahahaha.
Here's one....:
kissius my assius
Not really Latin....(I just made that up).....but signifies the kissing of one's ass (my ass) by someone who pissius offus with great efficiency.
Here's one....:
kissius my assius
Not really Latin....(I just made that up).....but signifies the kissing of one's ass (my ass) by someone who pissius offus with great efficiency.
Brian Manzella
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OK, guys...
Mandrin, I suggest you stick to the models.
Mandrin, I suggest you stick to the models.
mandrin
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Brian, I am sure that you know they love it. See how excited they get and ready to go to war. One member out of 4000 asking gently some probing questions keeps them alive and on their toes.
There happens to be another TGM forum where discussion is absent and everyone sleeps quietly between the occasional citation posted. [
]As long as it is not going to get too vulgar, swearing in Latin is however rather cute, I don’t mind a little stirrup. Should actually be good for business.
As for models I am working hard on modeling roll action. Probably a disappointment for MizunoJoe since it is going to be a 3D model.
birdie_man
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Asking some gently probing questions...
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Kissius my assius.
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Just get back to the golf swing....no more games.
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Kissius my assius.
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Just get back to the golf swing....no more games.
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