left wrist bend after impact? (with Brian Manzella Video Answer)

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JeffM

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Where do you see his left wrist bending? I think that his left wrist is still flat in the 4th image of the sequence when his right hand seems to be pronating over the left hand.

Jeff.
 
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It goes from flat to immediately bent, which BM has said is perfectly fine. Only bad players need to be overly concerned with maintaining the FLW. My goal now days is to have my left wrist flat for the least amount of time and allow it to immediate fold. Whatever works...
 
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On what frame does it go immediately bent ? It's his swing. .........on what frame does the wrist bend ???
 
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Pure.

In a "Pure Swing," the left wrist is only flat for as small as amount of time as you can measure.

Unless....

You are hitting a golf ball....:D

Then, the ball will slow down the clubhead a bit, and this will INCREASE the amount of time the left wrist is flat or arched.

Unless....

You take a divot....:eek:

And this too, will slow the clubhead down a bit as well.


But, there are other factors....

Like....

How far the left shoulder travels from release point to the follow-through.:cool:

So...

What says Brian Manzella....

You can bend your left wrist just past impact...

But, it might NOT speed the clubhead up...

This will be part of the MANZIMPOSIUM II at 3pm at Misson Inn on Sunday.

Yea baby!
 
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If one were to stop the shoulder soon after impact then the club would whirl to finish ? It would have to.....true ?
 
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The club continuing on it present plane . Centripetal force controlling the swing ?
 
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dale47 said:
On what frame does it go immediately bent ? It's his swing. .........on what frame does the wrist bend ???
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Dale,
On the third photo on the bottom line, the right backhand is lining up with the right forearm....which means the left wrist is bending..
 
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dale47 said:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/7a/Mike_Austin_Sequence.JPG

I keep reading about how Mike's left wrist became bent immediately after impact and this why this "swing" is so revolutionary . Am I missing something on this sequence concerning his left wrist.
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You are reading some bad info. Mike Austin never had a bent left wrist at impact, unless he was playing his version of a flop shot, that he called a "parachute".

The devise strapped on him in the pic is his "Flammer". Not designed to hit balls with.
 
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Puttmad

Could you explain the biomechanical reason for believing that the left wrist must be bent if the back of the right hand is lining up with the right forearm? I believe that it is not true and that the left wrist is flat at that point in his swing.

Jeff.
 
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Doug said:
You are reading some bad info. Mike Austin never had a bent left wrist at impact, unless he was playing his version of a flop shot, that he called a "parachute".

The devise strapped on him in the pic is his "Flammer". Not designed to hit balls with.
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Hi Doug,
I'm talking about immediately AFTER impact. I understand the "flammer" is an aid,but it was used to teach the swing positions tho......true....i honestly don't know,not being a smartass...just tryin to learn.
 
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Austin's left wrist is picture perfect "FLAT."

...and what happens after impact? Does the ball really care?

Austin's materials suggested that he threw the clubhead (as hard as he could) from the top. To me, this is simply another way of lagging the club. One is passive and the other (Austin's feel) is active. The clubhead doesn't know? Nicklaus explained a similar feel of releasing from the top.

It's all semantics.
 
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JeffMann said:
Puttmad

Could you explain the biomechanical reason for believing that the left wrist must be bent if the back of the right hand is lining up with the right forearm? I believe that it is not true and that the left wrist is flat at that point in his swing.

Jeff.
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Jeff,

For Pete's sake pick up a club..
If you have the correct grip, you can't have two straight wrists at the same time....:eek:
 
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cmartingolf said:
Austin's materials suggested that he threw the clubhead (as hard as he could) from the top. To me, this is simply another way of lagging the club. One is passive and the other (Austin's feel) is active. The clubhead doesn't know? Nicklaus explained a similar feel of releasing from the top.

It's all semantics.
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Sorry cm, you are not quite right mate..
Austin's throwing action is something totally different. It is an action that is performed with the right forearm after creating the correct conditions on the backswing, with that same forearm...
 
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puttmad said:
Jeff,

For Pete's sake pick up a club..
If you have the correct grip, you can't have two straight wrists at the same time....:eek:
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There is a situation where both wrists can be flat(tish) if both arms are straight.

Take club, have somebody hold the sweetspot/clubhead and get them to pull very hard.... everythting goes straight...wrists left and right become essentially flat ( or equally unbent).... that looks like the third photo.

I think that it can occur if the thrust is still down plane after impact and there is no hit impulse from right forearm that actively bends the right wrist.

A right wrist that is being pulled unbent ( at the same time as left wrist) by an on plane force...is different to a right wrist that becomes unbent and overpowers the left through a hit impulse ...maybe...discuss...:confused:

The actual physical appearance of the wrists is less important than the forces which produce the appearance....discuss?
 
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Puttmad

I think that you are totally wrong when you state that one cannot have two flat wrists at the same time. I believe that Golfbulldog is correct to state that if both arms are equally straightened, and the grip is neutral with both palms facing each other across the grip, then both wrists will be equally flat.

Here is a photo of Ernie Els post-impact.

Els-postimpact.jpg


I believe that the left wrist is flat in both photos. What happens in the second photo is that the right hand is pronating over the left hand. However, right forearm pronation/left forearm supination will not cause any wrist bending as long as both forearms are straight in line with the hands. There is no necessary biomechanical reason why either the right or left wrist has to bend during the pronation/supination action if both arms are fully extended.

Jeff.
 
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JeffMann said:
Puttmad

I think that you are totally wrong when you state that one cannot have two flat wrists at the same time. I believe that Golfbulldog is correct to state that if both arms are equally straightened, and the grip is neutral with both palms facing each other across the grip, then both wrists will be equally flat.

I believe that the left wrist is flat in both photos. What happens in the second photo is that the right hand is pronating over the left hand. However, right forearm pronation/left forearm supination will not cause any wrist bending as long as both forearms are straight in line with the hands. There is no necessary biomechanical reason why either the right or left wrist has to bend during the pronation/supination action if both arms are fully extended.

Jeff.
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Jeff,
In the first paragraph above you state that both wrist will be equally flat. Flat is flat and it either is or isn't. If you look at the first picture of Els, please get a club and get into that position exactly and tell me that his left wrist is flat. There is no way that it is flat. For the record, it doesn't matter that it is bent in that picture, I am just stating that it isn't flat.

Jim S.
 
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both wrists can be flat, whether it matters or not depends on the golfer.

At the end of the follow thru, or just after, as the hands make a move to swivel on plane or below, both can be flat. Get the back of the hand facing the ground. IMO, this requires manipulation with roll.

most golfers tend to allow the back of the wrist to bend in response to centrifugal force or the right hand giving a little more umph.

I think that MA utilizes more of marble scooping motion, leaning more toward a vertical to angle hinge. His wrists are in a correct position when it counts.
 
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