birdie_man
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YO teach.....
.....what'd I get?
.....what'd I get?
10 question examination.
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Brian Manzella
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YO teach.....
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mandrin
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Brian,
1. open clubface
2. slightly open
3. inside aft quadrant
4. to the right
5. just past impact
6. impact or low point
7. left
8. lower trajectory
9. increasing
10. sweetspot lag is different
I agree with gloach responses above but would change 5, 6, 9 and 10.
5. when ball separates from clubface
6. there is no straight down the line, just curve
9. continuous
10. larger centrifugal torque
1. open clubface
2. slightly open
3. inside aft quadrant
4. to the right
5. just past impact
6. impact or low point
7. left
8. lower trajectory
9. increasing
10. sweetspot lag is different
I agree with gloach responses above but would change 5, 6, 9 and 10.
5. when ball separates from clubface
6. there is no straight down the line, just curve
9. continuous
10. larger centrifugal torque
vjcapron
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1. If Iron Byron is set-up to hit a straight ball, what one thing you could change, would cause the ball to slice?
Rotate the grip in its "hands" so the clubface is open 4 or more degrees. He'll hit a nice right-to-right slice.
2. If the clubface stays "square to the path" where does the face need to be at impact for a straight shot?
Slightly open to the target line, but square to the curved path. A more precsie answer would depend somewhat on the plane angle that is being used.
3. Where on the golf ball would the club contact for a straight ball?
Slightly towards the inside aft quadrant
4. If the clubface squares up at or befor low point, which direction is the clubhead moving in at impact?
Downward and outward, which creates forward movement also.
5. When does the lie angle of the club have to be "flat to the ground"?
At the moment the ball leaves the clubface - separation
6. If the golf club swings through the ball on the plane angle of the lie of the club, how long does the club swing "down the line"?
It never swings "down the line". The clubhead momentarily touches the target line / plane line before moving back inside.
7. If the path (or plane line if you wish) is 4° to the right and the face of the club is 2° closed (pointing to the left), which direction does the ball start in?
Do you mean 2 degrees closed to the path, or 2 degrees closed to the plane line? The difference in ball flight would be huge. If the face were 2 degrees closed to the target line, you'd hit a nasty left-to-left duck hook.
If you mean 2 degrees closed to the path, so the clubface is really 2 degrees open to the target line, you'd hit the prettiest little draw you ever did see, starting slightly right of the target line and drawing back to center.
8. All things being equal, shallowing the swing plane through impact will produce what result?
Lower ball flight, lower spin rates, a draw tendency, a shallower divot.
9. In the most efficient swing possible, would the hips continue to move at a continuous or increasing speed through impact?
Increasing speed through impact - so you can wallop the ball with your pivot train (i.e. the younger Tiger Woods).
10. Why do shafts bend more forward on offset golf clubs?
Mass of the clubhead is behind the shaft, therefore making it easier to stress the shaft at the change of direction, getting more backward bending, but not necessarily more downward bending.
Rotate the grip in its "hands" so the clubface is open 4 or more degrees. He'll hit a nice right-to-right slice.
2. If the clubface stays "square to the path" where does the face need to be at impact for a straight shot?
Slightly open to the target line, but square to the curved path. A more precsie answer would depend somewhat on the plane angle that is being used.
3. Where on the golf ball would the club contact for a straight ball?
Slightly towards the inside aft quadrant
4. If the clubface squares up at or befor low point, which direction is the clubhead moving in at impact?
Downward and outward, which creates forward movement also.
5. When does the lie angle of the club have to be "flat to the ground"?
At the moment the ball leaves the clubface - separation
6. If the golf club swings through the ball on the plane angle of the lie of the club, how long does the club swing "down the line"?
It never swings "down the line". The clubhead momentarily touches the target line / plane line before moving back inside.
7. If the path (or plane line if you wish) is 4° to the right and the face of the club is 2° closed (pointing to the left), which direction does the ball start in?
Do you mean 2 degrees closed to the path, or 2 degrees closed to the plane line? The difference in ball flight would be huge. If the face were 2 degrees closed to the target line, you'd hit a nasty left-to-left duck hook.
If you mean 2 degrees closed to the path, so the clubface is really 2 degrees open to the target line, you'd hit the prettiest little draw you ever did see, starting slightly right of the target line and drawing back to center.
8. All things being equal, shallowing the swing plane through impact will produce what result?
Lower ball flight, lower spin rates, a draw tendency, a shallower divot.
9. In the most efficient swing possible, would the hips continue to move at a continuous or increasing speed through impact?
Increasing speed through impact - so you can wallop the ball with your pivot train (i.e. the younger Tiger Woods).
10. Why do shafts bend more forward on offset golf clubs?
Mass of the clubhead is behind the shaft, therefore making it easier to stress the shaft at the change of direction, getting more backward bending, but not necessarily more downward bending.
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Brian Manzella
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Mandrin, Vic and Puttmad all have the same 1 question incorrect....
which one will get it corrected first.....????
which one will get it corrected first.....????
mandrin
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4. (more accurately) -down and to the right
Brian Manzella
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Hmmm....
Everyone is missing the same question...
Everyone is missing the same question...
birdie_man
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K Brian....regarding #10...
Do you mean the tip of the shaft bends more forward (i.e. kicks more).....OR- more forward shaft lean...?
Do you mean the tip of the shaft bends more forward (i.e. kicks more).....OR- more forward shaft lean...?
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Brian Manzella
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10. The sweetspot is futher back from the shaft centerline and is trying to "line up" so-to-speak. So it bends more forward.
But....that's not the one EVEYONE has missed!
But....that's not the one EVEYONE has missed!
birdie_man
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Bah!!!!!!!!
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I gotta bow out for tonight....this stuff has kept me up long enough already.....need power for weekend.
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I gotta bow out for tonight....this stuff has kept me up long enough already.....need power for weekend.
The clubface relative to the machine.
ALSO square to the path.
Slightly inside aft quadrant. The more loft on the club, the lower below the equator you go.
Depends on the grip and what you're "squaring up" to.
It doesn't if the point of contact is just right.
Woops.. misunderstood the question the first time around.
It doesn't swing "down the line". Its from the inside pre-impact and back to the inside post-impact.
Left in all cases... assuming 2 degrees closed is left of the TARGET and not the plane line.
Less backspin and thus lower trajectory.
The HIPS? Never thought about the hips through impact but I'd say the motion of the hips should have already made the majority of it's motion by that time. They should be slowing down if anything.
Because the manufacturer screwed up. (I assume you're talking about when the club is not in motion)
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golfbulldog
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Mandrin, Vic and Puttmad all have the same 1 question incorrect....
well they both have different answers to 9....
VJ says increasing speed...Mandrin says continuous speed...
If this is the answer they got wrong then must be another option that not given.... i know that you like to talk about the hips being stationary at some time in swing ... is this the answer?? for maximum momentum transfer?
if not then i think that the REAL problem question is number 8
Shallowing swing plane through impact ( all other things being equal)....
If you mean does the plane angle through impact make a difference (providing clubs are set up for that plane) then it makes no difference to the ball...as long as you trace a straight line ...the curved path of clubhead still only touches the straight line momentarily no matter which plane angle used through impact...
golfbulldog
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PS . thanks for the exam Brian!.... not the winning that matters...its the thinking that counts!
If you went to your standard PGA summit and handed out htis exam ... what would be the average score??
When i went to bed last night after i posted original thread never expected you guys to work so hard - thanks !! Poor old Puttmad 3.00AM!!
My reasoning behind the thread was to find which bits of info are often misunderstood and hence promote poor teaching... or incomplete teaching at best.
Thanks!
PS Question 8 . it would give lower spin rate - because less descending blow but still go straight....
If you went to your standard PGA summit and handed out htis exam ... what would be the average score??
When i went to bed last night after i posted original thread never expected you guys to work so hard - thanks !! Poor old Puttmad 3.00AM!!
My reasoning behind the thread was to find which bits of info are often misunderstood and hence promote poor teaching... or incomplete teaching at best.
Thanks!
PS Question 8 . it would give lower spin rate - because less descending blow but still go straight....
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golfbulldog
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May be matter of interpreting question...
I agree with you that the ball has departed clubface when sole hits the ground therfore makes little difference ...
but could he mean in a correctly aligned swing which is hitting the ball straight anyway... when will ( lie angle / sole) be flat to the ground...
or are we all misreading "lie angle" as "sole" and Brian means something else?
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