magicmarker
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I played basketball too and I agree I never thought about shooting technique during a game nor would I advocate anyone else too. I did spend a lot of time practicing my shooting technique on my own though, and it was very worth it.
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dschultz6072
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Bubba says he has a wide swing arc. That's it. Maybe that's all he needs to say. After all, it coincides with this, right?
You can't be wide going back and just yank it down to the ball and still claim to be wide. Just doesn't work...or make sense.
You can't be wide going back and just yank it down to the ball and still claim to be wide. Just doesn't work...or make sense.
Kevin Shields
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Ive recently contacted Michael regarding this video. Should be standard viewing for anyone on this forum.
I wasn't too keen on the MJ video, although it has some good info, which incidentally Bmanz has already put up here.
"In line condition" (TGM) and the all new expression "line up" from MJ. Sorry but that is the same in my book. To much effort to reinvent the golf swing made it come across as "gimmicky".
"In line condition" (TGM) and the all new expression "line up" from MJ. Sorry but that is the same in my book. To much effort to reinvent the golf swing made it come across as "gimmicky".
Kevin Shields
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Well, it isn't even close to the same but everyone doesnt have to like the video. TGM and this video are polar opposites.
For sure, they are polar opposites.
I just meant that in the English language "to become in line" and "line up" are almost identical. So the claim to have invented an "all new" expression regarding the golf swing was ill thought out and comes across to me as a very transparent attempt to be the inventor of something new which isn't actually really new at all. Agreed he means something different from what is in the "book", but I was commenting on the presentation and not the content which, as I said, was good. Albeit already presented here by BManz.
Jim Kobylinski
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basketball and baseball are reactionary sports, golf is not. brain handles it differently.
Jared Willerson
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When Michael says "line up". He is in no way talking about the "in line condition" spoken of in TGM.
I was the same way....I had a lot of time, energy and money invested in TGM principles, I wanted to hold on to any little shred that it was accurate....it's not, I moved on and I am playing better golf.
I was the same way....I had a lot of time, energy and money invested in TGM principles, I wanted to hold on to any little shred that it was accurate....it's not, I moved on and I am playing better golf.
Good info I guess, but presentation wise, to me, seemed like 11 minutes of fluff, filler, and debunking, and just 2-3 minutes of meat and potatoes. Don't take offense MJ, I appreciate your efforts. When I pick up practically any nonfiction book these days, there are 10 chapters on the "problem" and 2 chapters on the solution. But those guys have to justify $25 charges for the paper.
My takeaway question was if the "line up" was in Golf Digest how would this keep millions of high handicappers from going overboard and flipping? Something inherent in the right action?
My takeaway question was if the "line up" was in Golf Digest how would this keep millions of high handicappers from going overboard and flipping? Something inherent in the right action?
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dschultz6072
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If this were a "tip of the month" for Golf Digest, there would probably be no mention of the line up. The tip would likely explain the throwout motion caused by directing the hands towards the target and how the club actually accelerates at a better pace when the energy on the handle feels like it is moving away from the target. That's just my take on it.
birly-shirly
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Blunt - but fair?
I like MJ's analysis and info - but I'd like to hear more on how to control lowpoint. Sure, the effort to achieve monstrous lag and fwd aiming points can tie you in knots - but I think most golfers who aren't steeped in TGM would intuitively recognise that. I felt like the underlying assumption of the video was that most golfers struggle with too much shaft lean. Is that a perception shared by other teachers on here?
Jim Kobylinski
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No, trying to achieve too much. Few people get there.
I have spent the last week playing with and sometimes teaching my dad. He can break 80, but he can NOT hit the ball with forward shaft lean. I think a lot of of folks around here my try too hard for too much forward shaft lean, but I think most amateur golfers out there are still flipping at it. So I have the exact same worry that dbl had.
birly-shirly
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Fair enough. It's an interesting point that the effort of trying can be so counterproductive.
Do you think it would be fair to say that if, instead of fixating on lag angles and handpath, you work on ball turf contact and a forward divot, and if by whatever means you're seeing progress in the right direction in terms of divots, then it's quite hard for the average golfer to overdo it?
I like the idea of tangential handpath in transition to achieve better impact conditions though - could be a nice way of looking at things.
willgolfer
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PING Pro Bubba Watson visited PING headquarters this morning to test out a few different G20 drivers.
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Slight toe hit
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