Debate: Path or Clubface to Fix a Slice —now with Manzella MIT project data on page 6

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Williamevanl said:
so if someones numbers are let's say -6 degrees face and -8 path. What is their ball flight and what would you fix first? Also, what will the new numbers be (roundabout) following the first change you make. Assume driver in this example.
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What is the amount of down/up and what was the VSP? Without knowing that -6 face and -8 path doesn't mean as much.
 
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Brian Manzella said:
if you want to see me teach live, you can come to the next GTE, which will be announced soon.
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I'm watching all of Brian's videos now. I'll try to make sure I have at least a moderate understanding of all of your ideas before I comment further. Jim, you could just take an average -1 degree and 48 degree Vsp.
 
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Originally Posted by dbl
The summary line as I read it is a net change, not an absolute.
Williamevanl said:
Nope the less open(change) numbers are even higher. One is 18.
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Are you talking about golfer AK? I don't see anyone else with an 18 degree anything.

For AK, he started ouside-in 3.93 degrees path with an open face of 6.67 degrees.
3 minutes later he had closed his face to 1.65 degrees closed and the path was now in to out 10 degrees. Sure maybe he was hooking it, but hey in 3 more minutes I bet that could have been toned down. :)
 
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dbl said:
Originally Posted by dbl
The summary line as I read it is a net change, not an absolute.


Are you talking about golfer AK? I don't see anyone else with an 18 degree anything.

For AK, he started ouside-in 3.93 degrees path with an open face of 6.67 degrees.
3 minutes later he had closed his face to 1.65 degrees closed and the path was now in to out 10 degrees. Sure maybe he was hooking it, but hey in 3 more minutes I bet that could have been toned down. :)
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Agree - is there any comparable trackman data of such rapid changes in path and face for other swing tips or training aids?? None that I have seen so far although it might be a good way of weeding out training aids...see how they impact trackman data....something objective to put on their infomercials....;)

I know have recently started a thread about mapping 3 key trackman measurments (AoA, Face angle and HSP) in 3D visual space which may not be to everyones taste ...but the voyage which those players took after a 3 minute lesson is like a hyperspace journey across the trackman universe!!

3 mins is the starting point...that is what william seems to be struggling to accept...
 
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The answer is....

Williamevanl said:
I think I just need to see the immediate change in swingplane and I will be convinced.
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And the question is....

What will a method man say when given professional guidance, presented with several experts' findings, and real world proof?
 
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I watched Brian's essential d-plane video.(40 min) It's all coming together, I learned more from that video than I have in nearly every golf book I've read. Brian was pretty accurate in his assessment of me having an overly simplified understand of ball flight laws. You've got a great teaching style as well, sorry for the stupidity. :)
 
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