February '04 - Get in Position to Play Your Best!
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Brian Manzella
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How about TONY LEMA???
You'll keep asking...and I'll keep coming up with example to blow up the poor arguement that a bunch of axis tilt is bad...
hogwash!
You'll keep asking...and I'll keep coming up with example to blow up the poor arguement that a bunch of axis tilt is bad...
hogwash!
EdStraker
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Brian is right about Tony Lema's axis tilt. I have seen several photos of him at various courses in the San Francisco area that show it and the old timers here still talk about his great ball striking here.
I think Jack Nicklaus would have won a few less majors if Tony Lema hadn't been killed in a plane crash at the prime of his career.
I think Jack Nicklaus would have won a few less majors if Tony Lema hadn't been killed in a plane crash at the prime of his career.
Yes,
but isn't that just it?
isn't the swing Brian is teaching a swing taught years ago?
bent over, on plane-or-inside on the backswing (rather than on-plane or a little outside), lots of axis tilt, a necessary arched wrist at impact, hanging back slightly rather than going through the shot.
It just doesn't appear efficient.
but isn't that just it?
isn't the swing Brian is teaching a swing taught years ago?
bent over, on plane-or-inside on the backswing (rather than on-plane or a little outside), lots of axis tilt, a necessary arched wrist at impact, hanging back slightly rather than going through the shot.
It just doesn't appear efficient.
Brian Manzella
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Yup...an old time swing...like Hogan, Snead, Nelson, Nicklaus....all those hacks.
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Happy New Year!
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Happy New Year!
Brian Manzella
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Lets try this--ole top of the back erect camp---
FIND ME (and post) and pic of a great --or even really good player-- with a neck that is
NOT like mine at address AT IMPACT...
I'll wait...
Go Michigan!!
FIND ME (and post) and pic of a great --or even really good player-- with a neck that is
NOT like mine at address AT IMPACT...
I'll wait...
Go Michigan!!
Who ever said that the top of the back is erect?
It's just not too hunched over. You keep calling it erect. How about we call it "stardard" and we refer to yours as something past that.
As far as neck being parallel to the ground (I think that's what you're referring to), this is a very common swing thought already taught by typical golf instructors. Please find an article for us that says that the neck should not be like this at impact.
On a side note, please find us an article saying that you should take the club inside on the backswing and lift to the top while lifting your spine angle. We'll wait.
It's just not too hunched over. You keep calling it erect. How about we call it "stardard" and we refer to yours as something past that.
As far as neck being parallel to the ground (I think that's what you're referring to), this is a very common swing thought already taught by typical golf instructors. Please find an article for us that says that the neck should not be like this at impact.
On a side note, please find us an article saying that you should take the club inside on the backswing and lift to the top while lifting your spine angle. We'll wait.
Brian Manzella
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First of all ARTICLES?? This is proof of NOTHING but poor infomation.
Look at a guy named Jack Nicklaus.
His golf swing sequences and video tape of him.
Perfect set-up in the top of the back and neck region...ditto Palmer.
Now this inside and lift backswing you are refering to...this would be me??
I can make ANY (ANY) kind of backswing. I still have a little lift unless I make a shortish backswing.
Now what about the FACT that LEADBETTER, HANEY, and esp. FLICK have THROWAWY?????
HUH?
Look at a guy named Jack Nicklaus.
His golf swing sequences and video tape of him.
Perfect set-up in the top of the back and neck region...ditto Palmer.
Now this inside and lift backswing you are refering to...this would be me??
I can make ANY (ANY) kind of backswing. I still have a little lift unless I make a shortish backswing.
Now what about the FACT that LEADBETTER, HANEY, and esp. FLICK have THROWAWY?????
HUH?
Brian Manzella
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No...you can't.
Why Pix...want to see me flip it more??
What a goofy question...
Why Pix...want to see me flip it more??
What a goofy question...
Brian,
Goofy question to a goofy guy
I've asked a GSED, and a few other very good instructors this question, and they said that you CAN have too much right wrist bend coming into and past impact.
Anyway, I disagree. But problems won't show up in an 8 iron swing. How are you long irons?
Goofy question to a goofy guy
I've asked a GSED, and a few other very good instructors this question, and they said that you CAN have too much right wrist bend coming into and past impact.
Anyway, I disagree. But problems won't show up in an 8 iron swing. How are you long irons?
Brian Manzella
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I don't have anywhere near as much as Lee Trevino and he can play a bit...or Mark James...
anyhow I hit my long irons just fine....which IS NOT THE POINT!!!
The point is this is a very good article with solid info and more playes OUGHT to listen to it.
The great players did all of it.
anyhow I hit my long irons just fine....which IS NOT THE POINT!!!
The point is this is a very good article with solid info and more playes OUGHT to listen to it.
The great players did all of it.
I said it earlier and I will say it again, your pictures are much more informative, at least to me, than your term of keep "neck being parallel to the ground ".
Question, after assuming this position, if you were to straighten up from the back and hips while not moving the head neck, would you be in the position you would be at a normal standing position?
Neck being parallel to ground doesn't mean to me at least that you move the chin down to your chest.. Your pictures seem to support this.
If the arms are hanging straight down and can clear the stomach and chest should put the neck in this position unless you increase the distance of the chin from chest that was defined when standing normal?
Question, after assuming this position, if you were to straighten up from the back and hips while not moving the head neck, would you be in the position you would be at a normal standing position?
Neck being parallel to ground doesn't mean to me at least that you move the chin down to your chest.. Your pictures seem to support this.
If the arms are hanging straight down and can clear the stomach and chest should put the neck in this position unless you increase the distance of the chin from chest that was defined when standing normal?
New Year's Holidays, an all that Jazz...
..been re-reading Seymour Dunn (1922), today & his fundamentals:... "weight on the heels" - prevents that dreaded lift that all short players have; but Brian is right - "you can talk about your fancy dancers" but everything he has described is rock solid - why carp?
Lots of instruction from Watson down about the "balls of the feet', 'the athletic position" - excuse me - everything is stationary- where does the weight go in the backswing - back!!!
Give us a break,
..been re-reading Seymour Dunn (1922), today & his fundamentals:... "weight on the heels" - prevents that dreaded lift that all short players have; but Brian is right - "you can talk about your fancy dancers" but everything he has described is rock solid - why carp?
Lots of instruction from Watson down about the "balls of the feet', 'the athletic position" - excuse me - everything is stationary- where does the weight go in the backswing - back!!!
Give us a break,
bcoak
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i know you ar not a fan of Redmond, but I thouhgt this was interesting given this article. It would seem Zinger is a closer match to your setup than one of the young guns:
SCOTTSDALE, Ariz. (AP) -- Two tournaments do not make a season, let alone a comeback. Even so, Paul Azinger has to be encouraged by his start this year.
It all started to turn around when he began working with Jim Hardy in Houston four months ago.
Azinger never had the prettiest swing in golf. He hunched over the ball, but it worked well enough for him to make good contact, win 13 times and a PGA Championship.
At some point, he tried to move closer and stand taller, which he thinks caused back problems and resulted in bad shots, and eventually bad scores. Hardy worked to get Azinger back to his old posture, and he already is seeing positive signs.
Azinger opened the season with a tie for 10th in the Sony Open, his best finish since a tie for sixth in the 2002 Buick Open. He followed that with another tie for 10th at the Bob Hope Chrysler Classic.
"As soon as I got taller and closer to the ball, I might have looked better, but it was just destroying me because it took me to the inside of the ball on the way down," Azinger said. "I hit thin fades and duck hooks. It was awful.
"As soon as I bent over from the waist, I felt the freedom of my upper body."
Azinger hasn't felt any pain since returning to his old posture.
SCOTTSDALE, Ariz. (AP) -- Two tournaments do not make a season, let alone a comeback. Even so, Paul Azinger has to be encouraged by his start this year.
It all started to turn around when he began working with Jim Hardy in Houston four months ago.
Azinger never had the prettiest swing in golf. He hunched over the ball, but it worked well enough for him to make good contact, win 13 times and a PGA Championship.
At some point, he tried to move closer and stand taller, which he thinks caused back problems and resulted in bad shots, and eventually bad scores. Hardy worked to get Azinger back to his old posture, and he already is seeing positive signs.
Azinger opened the season with a tie for 10th in the Sony Open, his best finish since a tie for sixth in the 2002 Buick Open. He followed that with another tie for 10th at the Bob Hope Chrysler Classic.
"As soon as I got taller and closer to the ball, I might have looked better, but it was just destroying me because it took me to the inside of the ball on the way down," Azinger said. "I hit thin fades and duck hooks. It was awful.
"As soon as I bent over from the waist, I felt the freedom of my upper body."
Azinger hasn't felt any pain since returning to his old posture.
Brian Manzella
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I do it both ways.
With both hitting and swinging.
With both hitting and swinging.
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