For all those that share Brian's "50 lb. goal" in 2008
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Future,
Why am I against grains?
I do not consider grains as a whole food, and diabetes runs in my family. I was a vegetarian for two years before I was diagnosed with having type 2 diabetes. I was lucky enough to have a doctor that told me: You are young, you are healthy, and if you do not want to go on dialysis like your aunt's, uncles, and grandmother do not touch sugar and do not eat grain. I never ate a lot of sugar, but as a vegetarian I ate plenty of fruit, awful noodles, and plenty of grains. I never felt healthy as a vegetarian. My low carb, low glycemic index diet has supercharged me physically and mentally. I agree that inorganic farm raised meat that is pumped full of awful hormones isn't healthy. The FDA is garbage.
I don't believe that fat is more easily stored as fat. Until proven wrong, I believe that carbohydrates (sans veggies/legumes which have a low gly index) are more easily converted into fat because of the way carbs effect insulin.
Your lifestyle comment also applies to why billions of asian's are able to eat a rice diet without any problem.
I think the most ideal diet comes from eating animal flesh, vegetables, and certain fruits. Let's not forget exercise. Our bodies weren't designed to sit in offices all day; we were designed to labor under the sun while taking in the real sunny d, not that bs sugar drink. Convenience is a killer.
Why am I against grains?
I do not consider grains as a whole food, and diabetes runs in my family. I was a vegetarian for two years before I was diagnosed with having type 2 diabetes. I was lucky enough to have a doctor that told me: You are young, you are healthy, and if you do not want to go on dialysis like your aunt's, uncles, and grandmother do not touch sugar and do not eat grain. I never ate a lot of sugar, but as a vegetarian I ate plenty of fruit, awful noodles, and plenty of grains. I never felt healthy as a vegetarian. My low carb, low glycemic index diet has supercharged me physically and mentally. I agree that inorganic farm raised meat that is pumped full of awful hormones isn't healthy. The FDA is garbage.
I don't believe that fat is more easily stored as fat. Until proven wrong, I believe that carbohydrates (sans veggies/legumes which have a low gly index) are more easily converted into fat because of the way carbs effect insulin.
Your lifestyle comment also applies to why billions of asian's are able to eat a rice diet without any problem.
I think the most ideal diet comes from eating animal flesh, vegetables, and certain fruits. Let's not forget exercise. Our bodies weren't designed to sit in offices all day; we were designed to labor under the sun while taking in the real sunny d, not that bs sugar drink. Convenience is a killer.
Bronco Billy
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The Atkins Diet is a Diabetic Diet..... Atkins always had a Weight Problem when He was Young..... He Noticed that Diabetics that he Prescribed Low Carb Diets (Which was a Standard Medical Practice even before the 60s) almost Always Lost weight on the Diet.... He Tried the Diabetic Diet for the Hell of it..... He Lost Weight like Crazy and Thus the Atkin's Diet was Born....... Have a Great Day.....
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I try!
My next career will entail earning a degree in nutrition, turning fat girls with pretty faces into hotties, and creating a harem of perfect tens (low carbing supercharged my libido as well).
Say no to SOY!
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thefuture37
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You may not think a grain is a whole food, but in its unprocessed form any grain is. As for what you think about fat/carb storage as fat, all you have to do is open a biochemistry textbook(or search wikipedia) to be proven wrong on that. Read the section of this webpage called "The Treatment of Type-2 Diabetes with a Low-Fat, Plant-Food Diet".
http://www.nealhendrickson.com/mcdougall/040200pudiabetes.htm
thefuture37
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The Atkins Diet is a Diabetic Diet..... Atkins always had a Weight Problem when He was Young..... He Noticed that Diabetics that he Prescribed Low Carb Diets (Which was a Standard Medical Practice even before the 60s) almost Always Lost weight on the Diet.... He Tried the Diabetic Diet for the Hell of it..... He Lost Weight like Crazy and Thus the Atkin's Diet was Born....... Have a Great Day.....
At his death he was reported by the medical examiner to have weighed 258lbs at a height of 6'. More on the atkins spin control.
http://www.nealhendrickson.com/mcdougall/040200puatkins.htm
thefuture37
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The Human Body Does Not Turn Sugar to Fat
The process of synthesizing fat from sugar is known as de novo lipogenesis—the new production of fat. This activity is highly efficient in some animals, such as pigs and cows—which is one reason they have become popular people foods—these animals can convert low-energy, inexpensive carbohydrates—grass, say, in the case of cows and grains for pigs—into calorie-dense fats.5 However, human beings are very inefficient at this process and as a result de novo lipogenesis does not occur under usual living conditions in people. Thus the common belief that sugar turns to fat is scientifically incorrect—and there is no disagreement about this fact among scientists or their scientific research.5-8
link below for the references
http://www.drmcdougall.com/misc/2006nl/sept/sugar.htm
The process of synthesizing fat from sugar is known as de novo lipogenesis—the new production of fat. This activity is highly efficient in some animals, such as pigs and cows—which is one reason they have become popular people foods—these animals can convert low-energy, inexpensive carbohydrates—grass, say, in the case of cows and grains for pigs—into calorie-dense fats.5 However, human beings are very inefficient at this process and as a result de novo lipogenesis does not occur under usual living conditions in people. Thus the common belief that sugar turns to fat is scientifically incorrect—and there is no disagreement about this fact among scientists or their scientific research.5-8
link below for the references
http://www.drmcdougall.com/misc/2006nl/sept/sugar.htm
Bronco Billy
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Real Science:
http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasci/mole00/mole00027.htm
It is a common idea that sugared foods are fat free and they
are. However, the body processes excess sugar into fat, so all the excess
sugars are converted into fat. You can eat fat free foods all day and
gain weight. Vitamins and minerals are simple chemical compounds and can
beadded to just about any food.
Steve
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Sugar is fat free. Sugar is a carbohdrate and fat is a lipid. HOWEVER-if
you eat a high sugar diet, your body will convert excess calories INTO fat.
Many of the fat free foods you find at the grocery store don't necessarily
allow you to lose weight because they are still very high in sugar and though
you aren't eating fat directly, you will put on pounds by converting excess
sugar to fat anyway. So be careful.
Van Hoeck
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ugar(s) and fat(s) are classes of two types of distinct chemical
substances. Each class contains a large number of individual chemical
substances. So the short answer is: Yes, pure sugar is fat-free. But it's
not quite that simple:
Sugars belong to a class of chemical compounds called carbohydrates
because they all have the chemical formula C(H2O), although they have many
different chemical structures -- common table sugar, called sucrose,
lactose (found in milk), starch, and cellulose are a few examples of
carbohydrates. The proportion of C,H, and O in each case is C1(H2O)
although the molecular structure and properties of the molecules are
obviously very different.
Fats belong to a class of chemical compounds called triglycerides. Three
long chain organic acids each containing a string of from about 12 to
about 18 carbon atoms. These so-called "fatty acids" are chemically
attached to a molecule of glycerin, which is able to bind three fatty
acids per molecule of glycerin.
Food and beverage manufacturers can, and do, add vitamins and minerals to
various food stuffs containing either or both sugars and fats.
Vince Calder
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Sugar does not contain fat. But living on sugar is NOT the key to a
fat-free lifestyle. Your body uses sugar as fuel. The sugar you'd buy in
the grocery store is broken down into a couple of simpler sugars for use.
Likewise, the fat and carbohydrates (breads and cereals) you eat are also
broken down into simple sugars and used. Any fuel left over, no matter
whether it came originally from sugar or from breads or from fat (because
chemically it's now exactly the same thing) will be stored by your body. It
does that by building fatty acids out of the leftover sugars and storing
them in fat cells (called adipocytes).
You can get vitamins, minerals, and amino acids by eating all the things
that are supposed to be good for you -- meats, beans, fruits, vegetables,
etc. But keep in mind that fruit contains a lot of natural sugars as well.
So if you're looking for a diet, go easy on the fruit and breads and fill
yourself up on proteins.
http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasci/mole00/mole00027.htm
It is a common idea that sugared foods are fat free and they
are. However, the body processes excess sugar into fat, so all the excess
sugars are converted into fat. You can eat fat free foods all day and
gain weight. Vitamins and minerals are simple chemical compounds and can
beadded to just about any food.
Steve
========================================================
Sugar is fat free. Sugar is a carbohdrate and fat is a lipid. HOWEVER-if
you eat a high sugar diet, your body will convert excess calories INTO fat.
Many of the fat free foods you find at the grocery store don't necessarily
allow you to lose weight because they are still very high in sugar and though
you aren't eating fat directly, you will put on pounds by converting excess
sugar to fat anyway. So be careful.
Van Hoeck
=========================================================
ugar(s) and fat(s) are classes of two types of distinct chemical
substances. Each class contains a large number of individual chemical
substances. So the short answer is: Yes, pure sugar is fat-free. But it's
not quite that simple:
Sugars belong to a class of chemical compounds called carbohydrates
because they all have the chemical formula C(H2O), although they have many
different chemical structures -- common table sugar, called sucrose,
lactose (found in milk), starch, and cellulose are a few examples of
carbohydrates. The proportion of C,H, and O in each case is C1(H2O)
although the molecular structure and properties of the molecules are
obviously very different.
Fats belong to a class of chemical compounds called triglycerides. Three
long chain organic acids each containing a string of from about 12 to
about 18 carbon atoms. These so-called "fatty acids" are chemically
attached to a molecule of glycerin, which is able to bind three fatty
acids per molecule of glycerin.
Food and beverage manufacturers can, and do, add vitamins and minerals to
various food stuffs containing either or both sugars and fats.
Vince Calder
=========================================================
Sugar does not contain fat. But living on sugar is NOT the key to a
fat-free lifestyle. Your body uses sugar as fuel. The sugar you'd buy in
the grocery store is broken down into a couple of simpler sugars for use.
Likewise, the fat and carbohydrates (breads and cereals) you eat are also
broken down into simple sugars and used. Any fuel left over, no matter
whether it came originally from sugar or from breads or from fat (because
chemically it's now exactly the same thing) will be stored by your body. It
does that by building fatty acids out of the leftover sugars and storing
them in fat cells (called adipocytes).
You can get vitamins, minerals, and amino acids by eating all the things
that are supposed to be good for you -- meats, beans, fruits, vegetables,
etc. But keep in mind that fruit contains a lot of natural sugars as well.
So if you're looking for a diet, go easy on the fruit and breads and fill
yourself up on proteins.
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Bronco Billy
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His first reference: Sugar Association: http://www.sugar.org/contactus/
Give me a break? This is worse than when KFC tried to market their grease dipped burnt flour fried chicken as healthy low carb!
Give me a break? This is worse than when KFC tried to market their grease dipped burnt flour fried chicken as healthy low carb!
Bronco Billy
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Coma....
This May have been true.... He entered the Hospital at 195#... He was in a Coma for several days from a Head Injury caused by a Fall before he Died .... The Medication he was on trying to save his Life causes/caused severe Bloating......
This May have been true.... He entered the Hospital at 195#... He was in a Coma for several days from a Head Injury caused by a Fall before he Died .... The Medication he was on trying to save his Life causes/caused severe Bloating......
thefuture37
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6' and 195lbs is still a BMI that is in the overweight range. Do you really think doctors trying to save a mans life would allow 50+lbs of water to just accumulate and do nothing about it?
thefuture37
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Excess calories from any source are stored as fat. The point of what I posted is in response to the Atkins people that think any carbs they eat are automatically turned into fat even if they are in caloric deficit for the day. Sugars are only stored as fat when you have way too much of them, and even then its an inefficient pathway. The link from your post is written in response to people that think they can lose fat by eating anything that is loaded with refined sugar as long as its fat free. They would gain weight just the same if they consumed excess amounts of protein calories(such as by eating huge amounts of egg whites), although it would be much less appetizing.
Bronco Billy
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It is My Understanding that this Bloating in this Comatos situation is a Common Occurance.... BMI's are complete BS in my Opinion.... Only estimates of Body fat..... NFL Football Players are almost all have Obese BMI's...But when Their body fat is measured in a Displacment Tank they are usually Considered extremely Lean..... Tom Cruise's BMI indicates that he is Obese....
self-mastery
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I don't subscribe to that line of thinking. It would be great if we knew everyone's belief that way we wouldn't get angry at straw men.
self-mastery
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195lbs might be overweight for him, but not for me. I depends on your body fat percentage, and not just how much you weigh. Bronco made a good point about NFL players. According to an idiotic weight chart every RB in the league is overweight.
thefuture37
Banned
BMI is a good measurement for normal sized people that aren't elite athletes...or basically 95% of the population. BTW self-mastery it doesn't matter if you don't subscribe to that line of thinking(how carbohydrates/fats/proteins are metabolized), that doesn't change how that actually happens in your body.
Bronco Billy
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The Truth.....
7. Fattening and obesity are caused by an imbalance a disequilibrium in the hormonal regulation of adipose tissue and fat metabolism. Fat synthesis and storage exceed the mobilization of fat from the adipose tissue and its subsequent oxidation. We become leaner when the hormonal regulation of the fat tissue reverses this balance.
8. Insulin is the primary regulator of fat storage. When insulin levels are elevated either chronically or after a meal we accumulate fat in our fat tissue. When insulin levels fall, we release fat from our fat tissue and use it for fuel.
9. By stimulating insulin secretion, carbohydrates make us fat and ultimately cause obesity. The fewer carbohydrates we consume, the leaner we will be.
10. By driving fat accumulation, carbohydrates also increase hunger and decrease the amount of energy we expend in metabolism and physical activity.
7. Fattening and obesity are caused by an imbalance a disequilibrium in the hormonal regulation of adipose tissue and fat metabolism. Fat synthesis and storage exceed the mobilization of fat from the adipose tissue and its subsequent oxidation. We become leaner when the hormonal regulation of the fat tissue reverses this balance.
8. Insulin is the primary regulator of fat storage. When insulin levels are elevated either chronically or after a meal we accumulate fat in our fat tissue. When insulin levels fall, we release fat from our fat tissue and use it for fuel.
9. By stimulating insulin secretion, carbohydrates make us fat and ultimately cause obesity. The fewer carbohydrates we consume, the leaner we will be.
10. By driving fat accumulation, carbohydrates also increase hunger and decrease the amount of energy we expend in metabolism and physical activity.
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