Whining???? What's that number bud? And who decided exactly what it was? Maybe you have to travel to NY and pay to get measured to know if you're dragging it. LOL. Or maybe it's like fine art, you know it when you see it.
Handle dragging "just when I thought I was out they drag me back in"
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Whining???? What's that number bud? And who decided exactly what it was? Maybe you have to travel to NY and pay to get measured to know if you're dragging it. LOL. Or maybe it's like fine art, you know it when you see it.
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I have no idea who you are, bra, but you think you know 100 times more than you do,
They'll be 1000s of systems that can measure it in a couple of years.
In the meantime, PLEASE keep handle dragging. You know you love it.
They'll be 1000s of systems that can measure it in a couple of years.
In the meantime, PLEASE keep handle dragging. You know you love it.
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Wulsy, 3 of my pals all took tour guys to Ping.....the handle draggers had the most closure.
I do know one thing - Ben Doyle loved it when his students stopped throwing the club head by dragging the handle.
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Right. That was my understanding of it. And so by that definition, I'd say the pros with the most free release include Nicklaus, Hogan, and Norman. While the biggest draggers include Spieth, DJ, and Trevino. Nothing wrong with dragging, per say, if it produces optimal collision. The ball will never know the difference.
The video below, at 11:00 minutes in, Lee Trevino talks about curing a chronic slicer by slowing down the left arm and shoulder to give the right hand a chance to catch up. Question for Mr. Manzella: Is what Trevino espouses here a homespun remedy for handle-dragging?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83UHYjrbNRs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83UHYjrbNRs
Intent?
I have NEVER EVER SAID ANYTHING about "intent."
Interestingly, MEASURED ON ENSO, some PGA TOUR PROS who lean toward the handle-dragging side of my brilliant scale. have A HIGHER RATE OF CLOSURE!
Yes, thought so too. Just confirming.
Makes sense some handle draggers have higher rates of closure. IMHO they handle drag because they have high rates of closure, not the other way around. Actively handle dragging slows it (rate of closure) down a bit.
I think no handle dragging is the right way to swing the club. The only pre-requisites IMHO are (1) you should have a big accum 3 angle to widen that clubhead arc, and (2) extend your left side. Both (1) and (2) slow down face closure and shallow the AoA. Hogan had both. Nelson had lots and lots of (2).
With proper clubs, you could even further mitigate the effects of higher rate of closure with gear effect.
Makes sense too because Doyle loves a less or unzeroed (or towards it) accum 3 angle. So that presets a high rate of closure. So he'll love handle dragging, yeah.
Brian Manzella
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zach...ever see a lead wrist graph?
No. What lead wrist graph?
Brian Manzella
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Brian Manzella
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This is the lead wrist graph of noted tour winner, excellent ball striker, swing admired around the world....
Who? Hogan?
Brian Manzella
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No...this guy's actually still living....
Tiger? DELETE (not noted ballstriker)...DJ? DELETE (doesn't fit on the green part)...Toms?
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Brian Manzella
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Why try to guess....its none of the above.
But.....the TGM illusions vanish in lead wrist graphs.....poof
But.....the TGM illusions vanish in lead wrist graphs.....poof
You mean the flat left wrist? Yup, agree with you. IMO, TGM was so into FLW due to its preference to a zeroed out accum 3. Need to move hands forward, need shaft lean, all to make room and move low point forward. Handle dragging becomes a necessity too.
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