How far left should you swing?

[mrose]

I think old school moves like hittin the flask might also be in order.

Is this an actual physical move/drill or the mental approach that Chi Chi used in his first Masters? The most enjoyable 83 he ever had.

 

[GPM1985]

I think old school moves like hittin the flask might also be in order.

I would kill to see a Golf Digest spread with a new-age take on hittin' the flask along with other old school moves examined in detail.

"In a tense situation, you have to maximize your BAC-Gap while minimizing your retch-factor."

 

[mandrin]

The trajectory of the clubhead, projected onto the ground, is given by the blue line in Fig1a. The dotted portion is the trajectory below the surface.

The red arrow represents the horizontal club head velocity vector at impact. For this vector to point to the target the golfer has to align to the left of the target as shown in Fig1b.​

 

[LiftOff]

Many thanks Mandrin

That lifted the fog on why to aim left.

 

[TROYNYGOLFER]

The trajectory of the clubhead, projected onto the ground, is given by the blue line in Fig1a. The dotted portion is the trajectory below the surface.

The red arrow represents the horizontal club head velocity vector at impact. For this vector to point to the target the golfer has to align to the left of the target as shown in Fig1b.​

We can, therefore, picture that similar lines would be drawn for a driver hit at a positive AoA where the original blue line would be ascending and the red line would point left, explaining why we should aim slightly to the right for a straight shot.

 

[mandrin]

The trajectory of the clubhead, projected onto the ground, is given by the blue line in Fig2a and Fig2b.

The red arrow represents the horizontal club head velocity vector at impact. For this vector to point to the target the golfer has to align to the right of the target as shown in Fig2b.​

 

[GPM1985]

Mandrin, great diagrams. This is a great way to visualize how different clubs can be zeroed out.

 

[MikeD2]

Don't those vectors simply reflect ball position along the clubhead's trajectory arc? For example, in Fig 2a, if the ball separated from the clubhead where the blue line firsts intersects the target vector, wouldn't you then have to aim left? Granted, it would probably be a pretty bad swing, but doesn't this imply that ball position along your swing arc is crucial?

Thanks for your insight Mandrin. The visuals are much appreciated.

 

[zarro]

Don't those vectors simply reflect ball position along the clubhead's trajectory arc? For example, in Fig 2a, if the ball separated from the clubhead where the blue line firsts intersects the target vector, wouldn't you then have to aim left? Granted, it would probably be a pretty bad swing, but doesn't this imply that ball position along your swing arc is crucial?

Thanks for your insight Mandrin. The visuals are much appreciated.

I don't think that would be a bad swing at all. All your scenario implies is that the ball is hit downward instead of upward.

For an iron, the ball has to be hit on the way down. Thus the first graphic that mandrin put up. The second diagram can only be effective when hitting a driver.

 

[HOT CHILLI]

Finallly...

You should prob eliminate "on plane" from your golfing vernacular. Every swing is on a plane through impact. Swinging right or left is a combo of directing that plane through swing line and attack angle to create a new path vector that is either more right or more left than before. That path is measured on Trackman at the point of impact - your clubhead travels left for a straight shot immediately after that.

So Brian's lesson to you had little to do with getting you "on plane" and more just simply moving your path to the desired place.

I always had a slight suspicion about "on plane" swing and all the line drawing/return to the shaft plane at impact "recommendations", not anymore...Thanks Kevin!

 

[Kevin Shields]

No, thank you for all your cool pics and videos on this site!

 

[Shot Limit]

I'm about as far from an expert on this subject as maybe Sir Charlse Barkley but I'm thinking I agree with ggsjpc on this one. I definitly "FEEL" like I have to swing way more left with a 3 iron than with a wedge or 9 iron. I had a case of BPS and low hooks and since my Lessons with BManz, I've been working alot on this whole swinging left thing. If you are right about this Richie, I am possibly more retarded than I first suspected.

Does anyone care to adress this issue please?
Thanks.

 

[Kevin Shields]

you have to aim or swing more left with a 3 iron than a 9 iron

 

[Shot Limit]

Thanks Kevin.