The point is that the feet and legs only become engaged to add power. If that weren't the case you would also throw a dart by starting with your feet.
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The point is that the feet and legs only become engaged to add power. If that weren't the case you would also throw a dart by starting with your feet.
So I guess you agree with me that legs are only used to add power.
To quote Hogan again from page 70: "ACTUALLY, THE HANDS START THE CLUBHEAD BACK A SPLIT SECOND BEFORE THE ARMS START BACK AND THE ARMS BEGIN THEIR MOVEMENT A SPLIT SECOND BEFORE THE SHOULDERS BEGIN TO TURN........"
What happens when you throw a dart from 12 feet or 18 feet? At some point you will need to engage your feet and legs to support the motion of your hand and arm to supply enough power to reach the target. At no point does the process go from being one started by your hand to one started by your feet.
Shot Limit
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please read.
Kevin suggests that it may work for some and obviously it does for you.
I do agree with Kevin that it is unathletic. It's just not natural for a throw IMO and not very mechanically sound for me. I start a throw with a hip motion, even a soft throw but I don't see how throwing darts has anything to do with this unless the dart board is fifty yards away. Bad example dude.
Kevin suggests that it may work for some and obviously it does for you.
I do agree with Kevin that it is unathletic. It's just not natural for a throw IMO and not very mechanically sound for me. I start a throw with a hip motion, even a soft throw but I don't see how throwing darts has anything to do with this unless the dart board is fifty yards away. Bad example dude.
Steve Greffen
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...because Hogan said/wrote. Lol!
So I should disregard what I believe and what Hogan believed because you don't believe?
When I start to wind up my hand is closer to the target than my elbow. Not sure I am getting your clue.
Throwing darts or balls has a lot to do with it. At some short distance you will not use anything but your hand and arm. As you get further from a target you still start the windup with your hand but you must incorporate other parts of your body to add power or brace the action.
The clue is that your elbow is leading going back. Not your hand.
What do you think is leading your elbow? Your pivot sets it into motion. In order to generate any kind of power in an athletic motion, there has to be a strong and dynamic change of direction. Leading with your hand/arm weakens the change of direction drastically.
Does the dog wag the tail or the tail wag the dog?
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Again, I disagree. At short distances, I also use my lower body. I use my lower body for pretty much everything except for putting (and darts).
Look, you obviously have a technique that works for you and that's cool with me. I just don't agree with you. I don't use my hands to start a swing or to throw a ball. To make a blanket statement saying that you don't know of any athletic movement that uses the hand and arm that doesn't start with the hand is just plain ignant.
Let's say were gonna toss the football to each other, and before I throw it to you, I could flip you the bird. Does this mean that flipping you the bird starts my throwing motion? No, It's just something I might do before I throw it to you to joke around. It really doesn't contribute to my throw.
The lower body, IMO has more to do with the golf swing than just to add power.
rogerdodger
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Hogan said things in print that he obviously did not do when looking at video. Prime example is the hip turn in the backswing. He claimed it was restricted when video shows a full turn of the hips, lifted left heel and a left knee with significant movement.
We simply disagree. I believe that the elbow leads the hand going forward.
As for the change of direction, the hand lags everything.
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I love Ben Hogan as much as the next guy but the video I posted clearly shows he started his swing from the ground up.
Video sure can't tell if somebody is trying to restrict hips.
trickyric67
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I don't know about the people here but I stood up took a balled up sock and threw it across the room and I definately shifted my weight back (pivot)and then forward. I can't imagine how else you would throw something athletically.
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I don't think I claimed that there wasn't a pivot involved. When I threw the socks I pulled my hand up and back and my body made a pivot to support the throw. The body then led my arm when I threw towards the target.
I will now mercifully put my participation in this thread to rest. Thanks for indulging me.
Burner
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And what about his right foot? Is that further away from the target - I think not.
No one steps backwards in order to make a throw - period. The action of drawing the throwing arm back promotes, like in a golf swing, a pivoting motion whereby the weight shifts onto the leg furthest away from the target. The leg, itself, does not shift.
The pivoting back towards the target whilst, at the same time, engaging the arm in the throwing motion, gets the job done.
Anyone see a baseball player step backwards prior to throwing the ball?
Does'nt happen does it. It is simply not necessary, unathletic, and wastes valuable time.
PS:
I played Cricket all my life, regularly throwing the ball flat and hard from 75 yards, or more, so I have a little experience of the subject.
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