Internal rotation (lagging club head takeaway)

[greenfree]

You're so wrong on this its a joke. I pitched in college and played every other sport as well. Darts is the worst example and thats two people now that have brought it up. My students hit it so much farther when they internally rotate to start the club back. Its you who needs to get it right.

You don't lift your back foot off the ground and step backwards to start your golfswing or to pitch or to throw a dart. Answer this then, how does a hockey player take a slapshot? Do they step backwards first? Does the blade of the stick hit the ice first or the puck first? How do you make the stick load energy? You have played right? I mean your qualified to know how, because you played all sports right?

 

[greenfree]

Are you high? Outfielders can take 4 or 5 steps before they throw. So now you dont have to wonder.

That's forward steps not backward steps.

 

[greenfree]

And what about his right foot? Is that further away from the target - I think not.



No one steps backwards in order to make a throw - period. The action of drawing the throwing arm back promotes, like in a golf swing, a pivoting motion whereby the weight shifts onto the leg furthest away from the target. The leg, itself, does not shift.

The pivoting back towards the target whilst, at the same time, engaging the arm in the throwing motion, gets the job done.

Anyone see a baseball player step backwards prior to throwing the ball?
Does'nt happen does it. It is simply not necessary, unathletic, and wastes valuable time.

PS:
I played Cricket all my life, regularly throwing the ball flat and hard from 75 yards, or more, so I have a little experience of the subject.

Right. Burner: the leg itself doesn't shift further back.

 

[greenfree]

Lift your rear leg up in the air and replant it a step backwards then after it is on the ground windup your torso/shoulder/arms, this is your backswing.
More like assbackwards swing. Words and their meaning are important. You need to take a step back and see what your saying is what you mean... Kevin you in there?

 

[greenfree]

Like i said stupid argument. Now tell us how to perform a proper pivot. Kevin the floor is all yours. I'm all ears.

 

[Kevin Shields]

I would say that both Nicklaus and Hogan's speeches and books on this subject would lend credence to the 'idea' that they and many others start their backswings with their hands, arms, or club.


THAT SAID, the people at Taylor Made using the MATT system, the people at TPI using their 3-D machines, and the K-vest people have never had EVEN ONE instance of the arms/club/body actually starting before the body.

So this is a case of feel versus real, everybody!

Bottom line!

I'll just defer to this post. I apologize to all if this got out of control or anyone misunderstands what im saying. Greenfree says the floor is all mine. Ive said enough about what I think. If I havent made myself clear, see the above post. Even if an outfielder is taking steps forward , he shifts his core to the trail side to start his arm going back. Its simple. Im done here.

 

[Kevin Shields]

Lift your rear leg up in the air and replant it a step backwards then after it is on the ground windup your torso/shoulder/arms, this is your backswing.
More like assbackwards swing. Words and their meaning are important. You need to take a step back and see what your saying is what you mean... Kevin you in there?

You obviously want to agitate. This is not what i said and no one but you would say i did. Thats fine. Im cool with you not getting it and being pissed off at all coaches and teachers.

 

[greenfree]

I'll just defer to this post. I apologize to all if this got out of control or anyone misunderstands what im saying. Greenfree says the floor is all mine. Ive said enough about what I think. If I havent made myself clear, see the above post. Even if an outfielder is taking steps forward , he shifts his core to the trail side to start his arm going back. Its simple. Im done here.

Yeah, he shifts his core, he does not take a step back, period.

 

[drewyallop]

First of all pitchers don't take a step back to pitch, their standing on the rubber,

No, for a right handed pitcher the right foot is in front of the rubber with the right edge of the foot touching the rubber.

Also an outfielder running forward to field a ball who needs to throw to the infield does not keep running when he throws the ball. He takes a little hop and lands on his back foot, loads the hip, then pivots and lets the shoulders and arm follow.

I watched Jesse Barfield of the Jays do this many times and at least twice pegged ground balls from deep right field to home for an out.

 

[greenfree]

No, for a right handed pitcher the right foot is in front of the rubber with the right edge of the foot touching the rubber.

Also an outfielder running forward to field a ball who needs to throw to the infield does not keep running when he throws the ball. He takes a little hop and lands on his back foot, loads the hip, then pivots and lets the shoulders and arm follow.

I watched Jesse Barfield of the Jays do this many times and at least twice pegged ground balls from deep right field to home for an out.

Does the pitcher take a step back, no. Who said the outfielder keeps running when he throws?

 

[self-mastery]

Dynamic Backswing - Yes

Dynamic Address - YES-- Actively pushing into the ground, and getting into sort of an early squat.

Golf is a game of tension?

 

[Brian Manzella]

Back to regularly scheduled programming....

After a little spat....this thread is back on point right now.

I believe that the backswing is started from the ground up—even in a no backswing pivot little pitch.

Greefree disagrees.

So do others.

the "Tripoders" think the hands lead going and coming, and the S&Ters think the weight moves left first.

We have reached the point in this debate where I say this:

"I am very happy that we at the Brian Manzella Golf Academy are among the few in golf who like the idea of stepping left then right to initiate the backswing."

Really.