Internal rotation (lagging club head takeaway)

[holeout]

And what about his right foot? Is that further away from the target - I think not.

No one steps backwards in order to make a throw - period. The action of drawing the throwing arm back promotes, like in a golf swing, a pivoting motion whereby the weight shifts onto the leg furthest away from the target.

Who said anything about STEPPING backwards? We're talking about a PIVOT here. It's rotation and weight shift.

And we're not talking about throwing something with a running start either; that kind of motion and a golf swing have zero equivalency. We're talking about something more like a pitching motion.

In which case, yea, your right foot is farther back.

 

[Steve Greffen]

Who said anything about STEPPING backwards? We're talking about a PIVOT here. It's rotation and weight shift.

And we're not talking about throwing something with a running start either; that kind of motion and a golf swing have zero equivalency. We're talking about something more like a pitching motion.

In which case, yea, your right foot is farther back.

I was also on Youtube checking out throws from the outfield and there is a definite step or weight on the right to set to get the throw off with strength.

BTW crazy footage of Ichiro when he was in Japan going nuts on defense in the outfield. And tossing a lot of players out! Like Holeout said we are not talking about a step back just a loading up of the rear foot on the takeaway.

 

[Burner]

Who said anything about STEPPING backwards? We're talking about a PIVOT here. It's rotation and weight shift.

And we're not talking about throwing something with a running start either; that kind of motion and a golf swing have zero equivalency. We're talking about something more like a pitching motion.

In which case, yea, your right foot is farther back.

The only reason that idiot has his weight on his right leg is because of the ridiculous and unnecessary lifting of his left knee. All of his weight is moving forwards before his left knee gets anywhere near its full height or his arm has even begun to move back.

There is no pivot at all; he starts side on and then lunges forwards, thats all.

BTW, Pitching is not throwing. It is a theatrical process designed to do goodness knows what. Do the outfielders perform such contortions prior to throwing just as hard.
No! I wonder why not.

 

[trickyric67]

wow!
all I can say is Wow!
BTW awsome stretch on that pitcher but the guy on first probably stole second

 

[holeout]

The only reason that idiot has his weight on his right leg is because of the ridiculous and unnecessary lifting of his left knee. All of his weight is moving forwards before his left knee gets anywhere near its full height or his arm has even begun to move back.

There is no pivot at all; he starts side on and then lunges forwards, thats all.

BTW, Pitching is not throwing. It is a theatrical process designed to do goodness knows what. Do the outfielders perform such contortions prior to throwing just as hard.
No! I wonder why not.

Unnecessary lifting? He's throwing from a dead stand still. The reason outfielders don't "perform such contortions" is because THEY GET A RUNNING START.

We're trying to compare apples and apples here. Both the pitcher and the golfer are performing from a stand still.

If you still don't see a pivot, I'll refer you to Tim Lincecum. Reigning back to back NL Cy Young Awards, 25 years old, 5'11", 172 lbs. Throws in the mid-90s.

 

[Kevin Shields]

And what about his right foot? Is that further away from the target - I think not.



No one steps backwards in order to make a throw - period. The action of drawing the throwing arm back promotes, like in a golf swing, a pivoting motion whereby the weight shifts onto the leg furthest away from the target. The leg, itself, does not shift.

The pivoting back towards the target whilst, at the same time, engaging the arm in the throwing motion, gets the job done.

Anyone see a baseball player step backwards prior to throwing the ball?
Does'nt happen does it. It is simply not necessary, unathletic, and wastes valuable time.

PS:
I played Cricket all my life, regularly throwing the ball flat and hard from 75 yards, or more, so I have a little experience of the subject.

Burner, you're dead wrong, period. Every pitcher takes a step backward from a full windup. Every one.

 

[Kevin Shields]

The only reason that idiot has his weight on his right leg is because of the ridiculous and unnecessary lifting of his left knee. All of his weight is moving forwards before his left knee gets anywhere near its full height or his arm has even begun to move back.

There is no pivot at all; he starts side on and then lunges forwards, thats all.

BTW, Pitching is not throwing. It is a theatrical process designed to do goodness knows what. Do the outfielders perform such contortions prior to throwing just as hard.
No! I wonder why not.

Are you high? Outfielders can take 4 or 5 steps before they throw. So now you dont have to wonder.

 

[Kevin Shields]

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjEJgC5nYXw&feature=related[/media]

 

[spktho]

Are you guys still arguing about what starts a throwing motion?

It is really very simple. This time of year I throw at least an hour a day batting practice to my high school baseball team. To throw with any kind of velocity at all, you need to get as much body momentum going towards your target as you can before the "pivot" or arm. It starts with the legs.

Hitting also starts with the legs--even if the hands are already up and back.

 

[birdie_man]

4? What's the 4th?

Hehe busted.

Not sure what happened there but I suppose I could shove 'full shoulder turn' in there too.

One of the few tips out of the mainstream I really have found useful.

The Big 4??!!

 

[Shot Limit]

Do the outfielders perform such contortions prior to throwing just as hard.
No! I wonder why not.

It's called a crow hop.

 

[spktho]

It's called a crow hop.

Yep. And it's just called "footwork" in the infield.

 

[greenfree]

Stupid argument. It's another reason why golfers get so messed up, what starts first the legs or the hands or maybe my right thumb twitches first or i flex my knees twice or i scratch my a...s first, or.... Death by a million questions.

 

[vjsinger]

Nice pics of Lincecum. I can't find any good slow-mo video of Strausburg here at work, but that would be cool to see.

 

[Burner]

Stupid argument. It's another reason why golfers get so messed up, what starts first the legs or the hands or maybe my right thumb twitches first or i flex my knees twice or i scratch my a...s first, or.... Death by a million questions.

Yup, I agree. And, for the record, I was just being a little playful about the lifting of the leg stuff and all, even though I still find it curious.

Kevin:
Burner, you're dead wrong, period. Every pitcher takes a step backward from a full windup. Every one.

Been dead wrong before Kevin, but I have yet to see this step backwards.

Don't see it in either film clip posted, or anywhere else for that matter, but as Baseball is your game I will defer.

 

[greenfree]

Yup, I agree. And, for the record, I was just being a little playful about the lifting of the leg stuff and all, even though I still find it curious.



Been dead wrong before Kevin, but I have yet to see this step backwards.

Don't see it in either film clip posted, or anywhere else for that matter, but as Baseball is your game I will defer.

I liked the comments on lifting the leg, made me laugh.

 

[Kevin Shields]

Stupid argument. It's another reason why golfers get so messed up, what starts first the legs or the hands or maybe my right thumb twitches first or i flex my knees twice or i scratch my a...s first, or.... Death by a million questions.

This could help alot of golfers so i dont think its stupid but thanks for the comment.

 

[greenfree]

This could help alot of golfers so i dont think its stupid but thanks for the comment.

It is stupid and your welcome.

 

[Kevin Shields]

What is your problem? Why not stay out of threads that dont interest you? Maybe some people find it helpful. You obviously have a disdain for golf instruction and teachers and I cant figure out why?

 

[trickyric67]

Kevin,
I think Greenfree enjoys messing with you. I don't know why but he jumps in on threads and seems to make an effort to upset the conversation for his own internal jollies.
I find your posts informative and educational.
Ric