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[Garth]

Is it really true. Tiger and dumb dumb split, Haney ruined O'meara and was doing a good job of letting the world back in against Tiger, glad to see him go.

That's a great point. Tiger is still #1, hardly in a slump considering what he did last year. (majors, 7 or 8 wins in a row, etc...) BUT!!!

What happened to that Tiger that was setting records every other major? The one that was winning by 12 strokes or so? Trevino once said about Nicklaus that "Jack knew he was going to beat you, you knew Jack was going to beat you, and Jack knew that you knew that Jack was going to beat you."

That was the feeling Tiger starting having on Tour around '99-'01. Since then, he's only the best and wins the most because of his shortgame. There is always at least one other person in contention. He's still the best, but he isn't nearly as dominant as he once was.

 

[shootin4par]

I agree garth,
some people think the golfers are catching up to tiger, not that he has fallen back, which I dont buy. I believe If tiger could eliminate one side of the fairway, he could eliminate the other half of the field. But the man still double crosses himself too much I think

 

[Bigwill]

I believe If tiger could eliminate one side of the fairway, he could eliminate the other half of the field.

You know, I was thinking the same. Since he likes for his misses to be right, why dosen't he develop a swing that favors a fade, especially off the tee? Greg Norman, who by many accounts was probably the straightest long hitter in PGA tour history, aimed down the left side and hit it as hard as he could. It's not that simple, of course, but it's an idea. I don't think it's one he'd go to anytime soon. As much as he likes to be able to move the ball both ways, he'd probably find something like that too limiting.

 

[jpvegas1]

Hogan's Swing - The Stallion nails it again.

Harmon.

I showed him and his brothers the Hogan Print I have with the "Power Golf" sequence. They said "Oh, this is bfore he knew anything." "Yup," I said, "he only won 10 times that year."

Brian:

Check out the latest book on Hogan's Swing secrets by Bertrand. According to the author Hogan told John Schlee that his swing pre-accident was better. Because of the injuries suffered in the accident he had to make compensations to his preferred pattern.

Score another point for the Stallion.

 

[Jim Kobylinski]

Maybe i'm way off base here but i think fixing Tiger would be easy. Personally i don't think he has a REAL grasp on clubface control and how much the face influences flight. I also don't think he quite understands plane angles either. Otherwise he'd know that he could swing more left and still hit a fade.

Again maybe i'm waayyy off but that is what i think.

 

[shootin4par]

You know, I was thinking the same. Since he likes for his misses to be right, why dosen't he develop a swing that favors a fade, especially off the tee? Greg Norman, who by many accounts was probably the straightest long hitter in PGA tour history, aimed down the left side and hit it as hard as he could. It's not that simple, of course, but it's an idea. I don't think it's one he'd go to anytime soon. As much as he likes to be able to move the ball both ways, he'd probably find something like that too limiting.

If he played a fade the whole time he would probably feel that he got beat by the game, and I dont know that his ego could handle that. He likes to be able to hit 30 different kinds of shots, but how many do you really need?

 

[Dana Dahlquist]

You know, I was thinking the same. Since he likes for his misses to be right, why dosen't he develop a swing that favors a fade, especially off the tee? Greg Norman, who by many accounts was probably the straightest long hitter in PGA tour history, aimed down the left side and hit it as hard as he could. It's not that simple, of course, but it's an idea. I don't think it's one he'd go to anytime soon. As much as he likes to be able to move the ball both ways, he'd probably find something like that too limiting.

I belive you going in the right direction with this here. Someone else did the same, ala Lee.

 

[Brian Manzella]

Last night...

I got a phone call from a golfer in the New York area interested in working with me.

He asked me about Tiger, and without think about it, I did 10 minutes on how to fix him.

Good thing it wasn't taped, becuase someone would surely steal it.

But, the "short version" is simple.

ORTHODOX!!!

 

[Bigwill]

... Personally i don't think he has a REAL grasp on clubface control and how much the face influences flight. I also don't think he quite understands plane angles either. Otherwise he'd know that he could swing more left and still hit a fade.

If this is the case, it's because of conventional wisdom (aim where you want to start the ball, clubface where you want it to end up). The idea that the face influences the ball's initial flight path is still far below the mainstream radar. And because he dosen't like to miss left, I think swinging left would be the hardest thing for him to get used to, especially if he's already aiming left for a fade.

 

[KOC]

Tiger case

Is it the truth that Tiger will leave Hank? Still can't see any inforamtion to justify the case. In the eyes of TGM fans and teachers, I think no one will agree with Hank model or the way he works with Tiger...but if he is still Tiger's swing coach, Hank is still the coach of #1 player!

 

[jbrunk]

If this is the case, it's because of conventional wisdom (aim where you want to start the ball, clubface where you want it to end up). The idea that the face influences the ball's initial flight path is still far below the mainstream radar. And because he dosen't like to miss left, I think swinging left would be the hardest thing for him to get used to, especially if he's already aiming left for a fade.

He used to swing left though, correct? In 1997, and in 99-2001?

 

[jpvegas1]

Harmon and Smith are not only teachers at odds.

Looks like disagreements between teachers is becoming more commonplace and out in the open. Here is an article from the THE DAILY MAIL in England.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/sport/golf.html?in_article_id=448590



War of the Rose coaches erupts
By PETER HIGGS

The back injury which has cast a cloud over Justin Rose after his US Masters heroics has led to a war of words between his current coach and the man he sacked last year.

Rose, 26, withdrew from this weekend’s Verizon Heritage event with a recurrence of the injury which hampered his preparations for Augusta, where he finished fifth behind winner Zach Johnson.

David Leadbetter, former coach to Nick Faldo, claimed that swing changes made by new guru Nick Bradley had contributed to the trouble.

Rose was sidelined for four weeks before the Masters with disc trouble.

Bradley, an understudy to Leadbetter from 1994 to 1997, said his ex-mentor was wrong and should mind his own business.

He said: "As one of the leading golf coaches in the world, I dismiss David’s comments. My record as a coach speaks for itself.

"The work I’ve done with Justin has made his swing more biomechanically sound and made him less injury prone than before.

"He had this injury in 2002 when he withdrew from the Qatar Masters. So it’s nothing new."

Rose, who ended his eight-year relationship with Leadbetter last August, has attributed his return to form, after three years outside the top 50, to Bradley.

 

[Jim Kobylinski]

If this is the case, it's because of conventional wisdom (aim where you want to start the ball, clubface where you want it to end up). The idea that the face influences the ball's initial flight path is still far below the mainstream radar. And because he dosen't like to miss left, I think swinging left would be the hardest thing for him to get used to, especially if he's already aiming left for a fade.

He wants to swing like hogan, it's pretty evident and no one took it left better than him. So i don't think he'd have a problem with it.

 

[cmartingolf]

Off topic - Nick Bradley

I read his book. Great graphics. A few excellent messages. Couldn't get past his point about flattening the right wrist through impact, saying it's not a scoop or flip....had trouble with that.

 

[swingeasttowest]

Tiger

I think Tiger should just work by himself. No coach at all. He is smart enough to figure it out himself................No one knows Tiger better than Tiger.................

 

[shootin4par]

Yeah jim,
I believe it was stated in an article that he and hank only looked at hogans swing

 

[jbrunk]

I think Tiger should just work by himself. No coach at all. He is smart enough to figure it out himself................No one knows Tiger better than Tiger.................

Apparently he is not smart enough to tell when he is getting bad info.

 

[jpvegas1]

Looks like Mickelson-Harmon is official

This was posted on The Golf Channel

http://www.thegolfchannel.com/core.aspx?page=15100&select=22333

Sources: Mickelson to Work Full Time with Harmon
By GOLF CHANNEL Newsroom - April 22, 2007
Phil Mickelson will work full-time with former Tiger Woods swing coach Butch Harmon, GOLF CHANNEL Insider Tim Roseforte is reporting.

Sources have told Roseforte that the relationship will be made official before the upcoming EDS Byron Nelson Championship. Mickelson is scheduled for a press conference Wednesday in Irving, Texas.

Mickelson has been downplaying rumors that he was going to switch to Harmon from long-time coach and good friend Rick Smith. Harmon was seen working with Mickelson earlier in the year before the WGC-Accenture Match Play Championship. After the Masters Tournament, Mickelson told Golf World, “No, nothing has happened,” in regards to a coaching change, “everything’s the same.”

The switch is supposed to help Mickelson straighten out his driver. He is averaging 296.5 yards off the tee, down from 300.7 a year ago, but is hitting only 58.8 percent of his fairways, ranking him outside the top 125 on the PGA TOUR.

Mickelson’s driving woes were most evident at last year’s U.S. Open, where a pushed drive on the final hole led to double-bogey and cost him a chance at his third straight major championship victory. He also hit a poor tee shot on the 72nd hole at this year’s Nissan Open, which led to a bogey. A par would have won him the tournament; he eventually lost to Charles Howell III in a playoff.

Harmon was the instructor for Woods when he won his first eight major championships. Woods has been working the last couple of years with Hank Haney.

 

[sandpacker]

Does this make it more or less likely that Woods will leave Haney? I do think Phil wanted to make his move before Tiger does.

 

[bcoak]

Looks like disagreements between teachers is becoming more commonplace and out in the open. Here is an article from the THE DAILY MAIL in England.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/sport/golf.html?in_article_id=448590



War of the Rose coaches erupts
By PETER HIGGS

The back injury which has cast a cloud over Justin Rose after his US Masters heroics has led to a war of words between his current coach and the man he sacked last year.


Rose, 26, withdrew from this weekend’s Verizon Heritage event with a recurrence of the injury which hampered his preparations for Augusta, where he finished fifth behind winner Zach Johnson.

David Leadbetter, former coach to Nick Faldo, claimed that swing changes made by new guru Nick Bradley had contributed to the trouble.

Rose was sidelined for four weeks before the Masters with disc trouble.

Bradley, an understudy to Leadbetter from 1994 to 1997, said his ex-mentor was wrong and should mind his own business.

He said: "As one of the leading golf coaches in the world, I dismiss David’s comments. My record as a coach speaks for itself.

"The work I’ve done with Justin has made his swing more biomechanically sound and made him less injury prone than before.

"He had this injury in 2002 when he withdrew from the Qatar Masters. So it’s nothing new."

Rose, who ended his eight-year relationship with Leadbetter last August, has attributed his return to form, after three years outside the top 50, to Bradley.

DL bashing another instructer. He is such an arse.