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I'll have whatever your taking. Did i use proper sentence structure? I don't want to upset you.
I know what you are saying. Happens quite frequently.
The question, though, is WHY and what can we do about it. I happen to agree with mgranato's and softconsult's perspectives.
Something goes wrong when the student leaves the teacher. If you're hitting it well, or as good as you ever have in front of him, and then you are hitting it bad a week later on your own, you are doing something different. There's no two ways about it.
The ball doesn't lie.
Should we not ever hit a practice ball without a camera and Trackman?
Practicing golf is a weird thing. The Golf Gods don't reward effort; they only reward doing it right.
The question, though, is WHY and what can we do about it. I happen to agree with mgranato's and softconsult's perspectives.
Something goes wrong when the student leaves the teacher. If you're hitting it well, or as good as you ever have in front of him, and then you are hitting it bad a week later on your own, you are doing something different. There's no two ways about it.
The ball doesn't lie.
Should we not ever hit a practice ball without a camera and Trackman?
Practicing golf is a weird thing. The Golf Gods don't reward effort; they only reward doing it right.
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That is partly true. The truth is you can make a lot of things work for a short period of time, but most don't last. Why is that.
You can't get away from the wrong info and bad instruction that has been put out there for years.
With the explosion in golf and all the wrong instruction articles and tips put on the public what kind of effect does that have?
Just read the comments on this forum trashing all these other instuctors, not exactly a ringing endorsement for the teaching that's going on. They have to accept a large part of the blame. We are all responsible for our part, but some don't want to admit that.
That is partly true. The truth is you can make a lot of things work for a short period of time, but most don't last. Why is that.
You can't get away from the wrong info and bad instruction that has been put out there for years.
With the explosion in golf and all the wrong instruction articles and tips put on the public what kind of effect does that have?
Just read the comments on this forum trashing all these other instuctors, not exactly a ringing endorsement for the teaching that's going on. They have to accept a large part of the blame. We are all responsible for our part, but some don't want to admit that.
mgranato
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To know what the student is trying to accomplish and provide the information to help them achieve it.
During the lesson – at least as high if not higher than the students. Out of the lesson – high enough to continue to improve and build their knowledge about the swing.
Answers will vary.
The good ones will.
“Pushing” is referencing to the students desire to constantly keep moving forward and improving.
Most people stink at golf, most people stink at football, most people stink at basketball, etc. Implying that people stink at difficult athletic motions because instructors are not doing their jobs (as a whole) is complete nonsense – and I don’t for one second believe you believe that. Most people don’t have a low handicap golfer in them just waiting to be brought out.
Yes, that’s it. Ball flight laws are holding people back big time. If only the majority of students knew the proper ball flight laws they would immediately sprout talent, coordination, an understanding of how to score, have better short games, and become better putters.
Learning how to score in golf is so far removed from the lesson tee that I’m surprised you placing “high scores” on the instructor. You have obviously had a bad experience with an instructor, but it’s time to sack up and take the responsibility for your own game. I’ve had plenty of bad instruction, but I have yet had any of it forced upon me. When you go looking to buy something, whose job is it to ensure you buy the best product for you? I really want a dozen Pro V’s, but the sorry salesman keeps selling me Top Flites – and I keep buying them. It’s all HIS fault!
Brian Manzella
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Greenfree,
You make some good points, some of them I agree with, and some I don't.
Could you call me to start the "Interview" with your own questions?
I could do yours when ever you want to today.
You make some good points, some of them I agree with, and some I don't.
Could you call me to start the "Interview" with your own questions?
I could do yours when ever you want to today.
It's difficult to teach motivation and self discipline, but can be done. Maybe not by a golf instructor that is only in contact with a person a limited amount of time.
I have never had a lesson from any instructor i was smarter than that. I take full responsibility for my game and i enjoy golf as much as anyone and most people put their trust in someone who calls themselves an expert in any field.
I guess they are just gullible. Poor suckers right?
How do i get in touch with you? PM. or?
Matt Bryda
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Here is a way to look at what you are trying to do when you hit a golf ball.
You create force through your twisting swinging body/arms/hands and this results in the clubhead moving close to 100mph in 2 seconds or less if you are really good and the margin of error is 3 or 4 degrees. How many other sports activities on this planet or any other activity for that matter do you achieve this kind of speed so quickly with such a small margin of error?
I do not know of any.
Everyone give yourself a BREAK.
It's a difficult game.
Brian Manzella
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trickyric67
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I recently took a lesson from Martin Hall after taking one 8 years ago. in the first lesson 8 years ago he had me do some flat left wrist stuff that was actually painfull so I didn't go back. I spoke with Ben Doyle and he reccomended that I see him again so last october I did. After I explained to Martin about the first lesson he said "8 years ago he wouldn't have known what to tell me so he could see himself trying the flat wrist thing" He then said "he had learned so much in the last 4 years from Ben that he teaches completely different today" and he does.
I was really happy that he said that.
I was really happy that he said that.
softconsult
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GreenFree writ, "With the explosion in golf and all the wrong instruction articles and tips put on the public what kind of effect does that have?"
I carved out this little gem. Now one of the writer's common themes seems to be outrage at, shall we say, mis-information. How could those evil golf instructors and golf magazine writers get away with spreading bad information?
Let's turn this around and examine the quoted sentence. First, the explosion in golf proposition. What explosion? Golf is not, and has not been exploding. Trend is flat. So how can you put out that false information?
Next, "all the wrong instruction articles and tips". Who made greenfree the judge? I have found golf articles and tips useful over the decades. They are not all wrong. They are someone's opinion. I get to decide whether they are valid or not.
Then, "put on the public". It's sort of conspiracy theory view of the world. As if, there's some plot to put out bad information. That sure makes a lot of sense. I can picture the strategy meeting at Golf Digest. Let's put out some really wrong information so our subscription numbers and ad revenue go down.
Finally, "what kind of effect does that have?" Who cares. We have no control over what is published, or taught. The marketplace works it all out.
I chose to respond, strictly because of your attack directed at CMartin.
I encourage you to be Brian's interviewer. Can't wait to hear that discussion.
I carved out this little gem. Now one of the writer's common themes seems to be outrage at, shall we say, mis-information. How could those evil golf instructors and golf magazine writers get away with spreading bad information?
Let's turn this around and examine the quoted sentence. First, the explosion in golf proposition. What explosion? Golf is not, and has not been exploding. Trend is flat. So how can you put out that false information?
Next, "all the wrong instruction articles and tips". Who made greenfree the judge? I have found golf articles and tips useful over the decades. They are not all wrong. They are someone's opinion. I get to decide whether they are valid or not.
Then, "put on the public". It's sort of conspiracy theory view of the world. As if, there's some plot to put out bad information. That sure makes a lot of sense. I can picture the strategy meeting at Golf Digest. Let's put out some really wrong information so our subscription numbers and ad revenue go down.
Finally, "what kind of effect does that have?" Who cares. We have no control over what is published, or taught. The marketplace works it all out.
I chose to respond, strictly because of your attack directed at CMartin.
I encourage you to be Brian's interviewer. Can't wait to hear that discussion.
mgranato
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My apologies for suggesting otherwise. Your shot at Cmartin had a tone to it that suggested a bad personal experience.
Absolutely people can be gullible - is this news? I'm not defending bad instruction/instructors, I'm saying the onus to get better falls on the one hitting the shot.
Anyways, glad your game is in the "right" hands
. I'll be looking forward to the interview - don't let him off easy, no soft balls. They are my opinions and you must care your here right. What conspiracy theory? It speaks for itself. Who said it was on purpose? When you screw up do you do it on purpose? I know i do
Jim Kobylinski
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greenfree, if you are ever in Chicago let me know, free 30 minutes on me. If you don't learn something that helps benefit your game i'll buy ya lunch.
greenfree, if you are ever in Chicago let me know, free 30 minutes on me. If you don't learn something that helps benefit your game i'll buy ya lunch.
I know you could show me a lot, i'm not doubting any of the instructors that work with Brian. I have been to Chicago a few times, great city. Lunch alone would be worth it.
Kevin Shields
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greenfree, if you are ever in Chicago let me know, free 30 minutes on me. If you don't learn something that helps benefit your game i'll buy ya lunch.
Ill take that offer, lie and say i didnt learn anything, and off to Hugo Frog's for steak.
Whiteflash
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"The inside moves the outside" This is wrong?
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