Natalie Gulbis' swing, and many other things

[natep]

What's a convex hand path?

Does that mean curved to the outside or the inside?

 

[footwedge]

The Pivot is spending 70-75% of its power moving itself.

The shoulder complex, arms, and hands are way more responsible for power than we were told to believe.

Now....

As for the Natalie Gulbis swing...

Her right shoulder movement is perfect for here eventual plane, but here hand path is CONVEX.

Looks like a good swing that could be better.

I'm sure i read elsewhere and seen on video that some other instructors believed and stated that the shoulder/ arms/ hands produced more power than the pivot and this was a long time ago, how they came to this conclusion i don't know, but they didn't buy into the pivot produces more power than the arms etc. They even gave percentages, how and where they came up with this i have no idea.

 

[gmbtempe]

If your pivot was just there to support the movement of the hands, arms and shoulders.......a "not get in the way" kind of move how much power can one generate.

Would it be possible to say hit a 9 iron 150 yards for the a decent player?

Do you have to have a flat left wrist past impact to hit it far?

Do you have to have a big wide arc?

Really a separate thread but the more I learn the more Hogan's words were never truer "If you were to do the opposite of everything you think you should do then you would do it right" or something like that.

 

[footwedge]

If your pivot was just there to support the movement of the hands, arms and shoulders.......a "not get in the way" kind of move how much power can one generate.

Would it be possible to say hit a 9 iron 150 yards for the a decent player?

Do you have to have a flat left wrist past impact to hit it far?

Do you have to have a big wide arc?

Really a separate thread but the more I learn the more Hogan's words were never truer "If you were to do the opposite of everything you think you should do then you would do it right" or something like that.

Hogan's saying is like one of those mystic, legendary things that people think is brilliant, but it depends on what you think you should do. What you think you should do can be completely different than what another person thinks they should do and what if what you think is right for you should you then do the exact opposite?, so where does that leave Hogan's saying?

 

[self-mastery]

Really a separate thread but the more I learn the more Hogan's words were never truer "If you were to do the opposite of everything you think you should do then you would do it right" or something like that.

I hope that includes trying to copy his swing

 

[tallathlete]

The Pivot is spending 70-75% of its power moving itself.

The shoulder complex, arms, and hands are way more responsible for power than we were told to believe.

Now....

As for the Natalie Gulbis swing...

Her right shoulder movement is perfect for here eventual plane, but here hand path is CONVEX.

Looks like a good swing that could be better.

I agree completely with this. However, the worlds #1 instructor...whom she has worked with for years...just can't seem to help her. She isn't one lick better today than when she first went to him. Sad....but true.

 

[lia41985]

The Pivot is spending 70-75% of its power moving itself.

The shoulder complex, arms, and hands are way more responsible for power than we were told to believe.

Now....

As for the Natalie Gulbis swing...

Her right shoulder movement is perfect for here eventual plane, but here hand path is CONVEX.

Looks like a good swing that could be better.

Thanks for the input, Brian! So much more to learn...I hope to learn more about hand paths from you. I've never heard the terms convex used in relation to a golf swing, but that's what you and your guys do--learn and teach more eery day. Thanks again.

 

[lia41985]

I guess you didn't watch Brian's video.

Please explain.

 

[lia41985]

I'm really curious what is meant by a convex hand path and whether having such a path would be a "bad" thing. I'm taking convex to mean that the hands go in then out then back in. Brian stated this before:

The hands should go toward a place INSIDE the ball, and then go MORE INSIDE.

These videos seem to confirm this:
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I'm trying to reconcile this new idea about convex hand paths with what I learned in this thread:
http://www.brianmanzella.com/forum/golfing-discussions/14597-my-hands-want-go-towards-ball.html
I'm afraid I didn't draw the right lesson(s) from that discussion.

 

[dbl]

Tall Athlete, I'm not so sure it is fair to say Harmon hasn't seemed to be able to help Gulbis. For one, we don't know their (and her) goals. They may well be working under the basis of not changing her overall swing. Secondly, I thought she had improved to some degree, and I see her Fairways hit has improved over her early days.

 

[rmartingolf]

Just my opinion. Generally speaking, lesser players over use the body and alot of people who cant really play think the pivot adds to the club and try to power their swings with the pivot. The best players have soooooo much hand and arm action. For some insane reason hands get a bad rep in some circles.

If that's the case, one would think Dave " Hands" Barr would have been a big time winner on tour. I guess there is hope for my action because I can't seem to get my hands under control.

 

[footwedge]

If that's the case, one would think Dave " Hands" Barr would have been a big time winner on tour. I guess there is hope for my action because I can't seem to get my hands under control.

More to winning on tour then that. How good was his putting?

 

[rmartingolf]

More to winning on tour then that. How good was his putting?

Than what?

 

[footwedge]

Than what?

"If that's the case", That's What.

 

[Richie3Jack]

Here's a look at Barr's GIR and Total Driving Rank thru the years.

Year……..GIR....Tot. Drive
1980……..86……….131
1981……..71……….129
1982……..134……….87
1983……..24……….105
1984……..23……….42
1985……..10……….39
1986……..77……….43
1987……..10……….14
1988……..2……….25
1989……..3……….58
1990……..5……….57
1991……..7……….76
1992……..3……….119





3JACK

 

[rmartingolf]

Here's a look at Barr's GIR and Total Driving Rank thru the years.

Year……..GIR....Tot. Drive
1980……..86……….131
1981……..71……….129
1982……..134……….87
1983……..24……….105
1984……..23……….42
1985……..10……….39
1986……..77……….43
1987……..10……….14
1988……..2……….25
1989……..3……….58
1990……..5……….57
1991……..7……….76
1992……..3……….119





3JACK

Not trying to start anything here, but what do these stats tell us? That he couldn't putt? His lifetime scoring scoring average was around 71.3 so he couldn't have been too bad. In fact, if you play for 11 years on the big tour and win you can obviously roll your golf ball a little bit.

what is a hands players anyway? A guy like Lucas Glover, Sergio, Fowler, or a guy like Barr, Ray Floyd or Hubert Green?

 

[GPM1985]

what is a hands players anyway? A guy like Lucas Glover, Sergio, Fowler, or a guy like Barr, Ray Floyd or Hubert Green?

Those guys all have hands, like most golfers, so I would say they are all hands players. Frequently I hear some new swing being peddled that promises to eliminate timing issues by "not using the hands." What a crock! Every golf swing requires timing and anyone who can hit the ball well makes good use out of the muscles in the hands and arms.

People who tout swings that supposedly don't use the hands are the same people who have doubts about their own ability to use their hands. These are typically uncoordinated, yip-prone types. I feel bad for them and their inability to confront the reality of swinging a stick.

 

[Kevin Shields]

Those guys all have hands, like most golfers, so I would say they are all hands players. Frequently I hear some new swing being peddled that promises to eliminate timing issues by "not using the hands." What a crock! Every golf swing requires timing and anyone who can hit the ball well makes good use out of the muscles in the hands and arms.

People who tout swings that supposedly don't use the hands are the same people who have doubts about their own ability to use their hands. These are typically uncoordinated, yip-prone types. I feel bad for them and their inability to confront the reality of swinging a stick.

Strong post

 

[tallathlete]

Kevin is it strongly accurate?

 

[Lifter]

Kevin, do y'all really not believe that "swinging left" as advocated by, say, Greg McHatton promotes face angle stability? If not, then what are the advantages of "swinging left" rather than more down the line?