NEW BLOCKBUSTER 20 minute VIDEO - Preliminary ENSO Findings - by Brian Manzella
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Brian,
Much obliged to you for posting this video and your recent torque video. Great stuff and very interesting. Is it your feeling that these findings are calling for moving the handle -- if pure speed is the goal – more like a lacrosse shot or hockey slap shot? (See attached links of slow motion record speed shots in lacrosse and hockey). It looks like they are actively pulling back with the top hand as the bottom hand fires through. If so, is the difference between that and a flip simply where in the swing the hand action occurs?
Rabil's 111-mph Shot in HD, Slow Motion - YouTube
Zdeno Chara 2011 NHL All-Star Hardest Shot in Extreme Slow Motion - YouTube
Much obliged to you for posting this video and your recent torque video. Great stuff and very interesting. Is it your feeling that these findings are calling for moving the handle -- if pure speed is the goal – more like a lacrosse shot or hockey slap shot? (See attached links of slow motion record speed shots in lacrosse and hockey). It looks like they are actively pulling back with the top hand as the bottom hand fires through. If so, is the difference between that and a flip simply where in the swing the hand action occurs?
Rabil's 111-mph Shot in HD, Slow Motion - YouTube
Zdeno Chara 2011 NHL All-Star Hardest Shot in Extreme Slow Motion - YouTube
Kevin Shields
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Hand strength is large
Brian Manzella
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Yup.
The exact thought.
Lacrosse looks more similar.
Interestingly, we ask Dr. Nesbit if a baseball player had "force across the bat" at impact, and the quick answer was—no.
Huge.
And I think, somewhat overlooked.
willgolfer
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Apologies for the quick thread jack.....does Dr. Nesbitt have anymore info as to forces on the bat during a baseball swing? I'm wondering if hitters who have their palms perpendicular to the ground at impact (Ichiro) do in fact apply some force across the bat vs. the palms parallel at impact hitters (Pujols) who apply no force across the bat. Thanks.
gmbtempe
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You related face rotation to clubhead speed, it varied between the different swings you made.
The numbers seem fairly small, 300 rpm I think you showed, can that be equated to how open or closed the face was, does say 500 rpm mean a 1 degree change in face angle.
I always thought the rate of closure discussion was related to accuracy rather than speed?
The numbers seem fairly small, 300 rpm I think you showed, can that be equated to how open or closed the face was, does say 500 rpm mean a 1 degree change in face angle.
I always thought the rate of closure discussion was related to accuracy rather than speed?
dschultz6072
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It's something that people talk about because they think it's a big damn deal.
There are plenty of great players on Tour who can hit a fade even though it looks like the toe is still massively turning over through impact. I think there is a lot of misconception about how the blade has to be manipulated through the ball to hit a true power fade. One of the better teachers in my area was talking about how he had a discussion with Calcavecchia and hitting that shot. He didn't try to hold off the blade and the teacher called the type of shot a "release fade". He tries to get his promising juniors to understand that as well.
This isn't held off, is it?:
Couples, Vijay, and many others let it go as well and can still hit towering shots that go forever and still fall to the right.
Bear in mind I'm not a teacher, I have no horses in any race, and these are all just guesses. I have no idea what I'm talking about.
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Brian Manzella
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Greg,
Now you know what handle dragging is, and why we don't really teach it anymore.
Working on rate of closure won't get you ANYTHING you think it will, unless there is a placebo effect. And it MAY slow the club down.
Sure....
gmbtempe
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I would assume the issue is pulling the handle and not the location of the handle? I assume he did not drag anything, just rotated and swung the club?
dschultz6072
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Where did that shot impact on the clubface?
gmbtempe
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Well, so was that seems like a partial answer to my question, is the alignment fine as long as you don't drag the handle to get there, or if your handle is in that position no matter how it got there you are going to have issues?
Jared Willerson
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Brian very clearly stated that a proper impact alignment was necessary. Yes you want a slightly arched left wrist at impact, but dragging that arched wrist slows down the club.
He also stated that if keeping the club up the left arm works.....keep doing it
The whole conversation is predicated on speed and how an increase in speed occurs in the golf swing but also informing the public as to moves, while they can be effective, produce less speed.
He also stated that if keeping the club up the left arm works.....keep doing it
The whole conversation is predicated on speed and how an increase in speed occurs in the golf swing but also informing the public as to moves, while they can be effective, produce less speed.
natep
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IMO its just a matter of preference. Line it up early or late, whatever you want. The only thing that matters about having that alignment IMO is whether or not you have a bunch of force across the shaft, which I find the less the better, and a freewheeling clubhead. You can see that DJ is freewheeling the clubhead thru impact, while some "handle-draggers" are trying to rotate the whole body and clubshaft together at the same rpm's a la TGM "rhythm". Not the same thing IMO.
gmbtempe
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Thx, your responses are always helpful.
I think part of my understanding was that if you had that "TGM handle ahead" look that somehow that meant you had screwed something up, in reality its not the look thats the issue but how you are achieving it.
I never think about FATS, or dragging this or that in my current instruction but my alignments (handle location/shaft lean) are getting closer to DJ and further away from say Fred Couples and just was wondering how that fits into the issues discussed herein.
gmbtempe
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