Michael Finney
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wright and dee agree......the more club head speed, the higher the closure rate....
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Brian Manzella
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So, let's see....
More Speed will get you more closure rate, more handle dragging will get you less speed....
My bet is more trigger delay will get you a higher closure rate....also potentially less speed....but less speed gives you less closure rate....
Boy am I glad I'm not a method teacher.
Michael Finney
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they'll just say "strengthen your grip"
Jon Hardesty
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That is correct...
The higher closer rate is out of NECESSITY. Nothing more, nothing less. I would have to believe that a high closure rate and low club head speed would equal a massive left ball flight by a right handed golfer. Conversely, a low closure rate and high club head speed would equal a massive right ball flight.
Just my 2 cents...
The higher closer rate is out of NECESSITY. Nothing more, nothing less. I would have to believe that a high closure rate and low club head speed would equal a massive left ball flight by a right handed golfer. Conversely, a low closure rate and high club head speed would equal a massive right ball flight.
Just my 2 cents...
Brian Manzella
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It doesn't matter.
You can NOT maintain hand speed anywhere near impact.
You CAN NOT have low rate of closure, maximum trigger delay, high clubhead speed.
You can not HANDLE-DRAG and not also lose clubhead speed.
No chance.
You might be able to FAKE IT on video.
Brian Manzella
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That is on the list.
We are having another go at ENSO-pro in the next couple of months, and we are going to be part of huge clubface study that is going to be done.
Promise I will report back.
As far as the closure rates go, I'd guess they have ALMOST NOTHING to do with the path (of good players).
Dariusz J.
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Perhaps more with the radius of the path...much closer to the dependance on pivot (which I am almost certain of but will wait for scientific proofs with pleasure).
Cheers
Confessions of an Ex Handle Dragger !
Had a fine lesson with you in New Orleans last year where we discussed handle dragging and you got me working the club more "under" with the right hand, however things are starting to fall more into place since viewing the the latest release video. The difference in clubhead speed has been significant, the key points for me have been ensuring a full shoulder turn, swinging the club out from the top and hitting hard from halfway down but trying to keep the shoulders square. Without doubt a club longer with the irons and at least 20 yards further with the driver. Standing up through the ball seems to happen as a reaction to what went before and the feeling is the hips snap through impact without conscious effort. maybe I'm missing something there though?Having worked hard in the past to get a flat left wrist at impact and pulling the hands down to the aiming point it seems bizarre to now be swinging like this but results have been consistently solid, seems to alsowork with pitching but for chipping not so good, pivot powered hands needed there maybe?
Anyway, great information your're posting and much appreciated.
Had a fine lesson with you in New Orleans last year where we discussed handle dragging and you got me working the club more "under" with the right hand, however things are starting to fall more into place since viewing the the latest release video. The difference in clubhead speed has been significant, the key points for me have been ensuring a full shoulder turn, swinging the club out from the top and hitting hard from halfway down but trying to keep the shoulders square. Without doubt a club longer with the irons and at least 20 yards further with the driver. Standing up through the ball seems to happen as a reaction to what went before and the feeling is the hips snap through impact without conscious effort. maybe I'm missing something there though?Having worked hard in the past to get a flat left wrist at impact and pulling the hands down to the aiming point it seems bizarre to now be swinging like this but results have been consistently solid, seems to alsowork with pitching but for chipping not so good, pivot powered hands needed there maybe?
Anyway, great information your're posting and much appreciated.
tongzilla
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This expensive ENSO-pro machine has been around for some time now so why hasn't any body else don't any studies on something as important as the clubface?! You would think the inventors of the machine would have done such a study.
Kevin Shields
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Then post up awful swings.
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SteveT
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So golf isn't about looking a certain way on video as you achieve purportedly long carry distances to unspecified targets on a driving range?
Are you suggesting that "golf IS about looking a certain way on video as you achieve purportedly long carry distances to unspecified targets on a driving range."...... and if you believe otherwise, "YOU LIE"..??!!!!
Your signature: "Golf is what the ball does." -John Jacobs ... It depends...", seems to confirm that conclusion.
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SteveT
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Are you manipulating your clubface rotation by applying "gamma" torque through final release?
When you swing out-to-in, you have more "path" to play with than if you are on a tighter in-to-out hand path.
Final release is a freewheeling state that must be properly timed in the kinematic and kinetic sequencing, well before impact.
When you are in the high speed segment of your swing, your body anatomy can significantly govern your release action.
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SteveT
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Dear Brian,
Sorry for the silence. A few days ago, just as we were finishing up the details of a right hip replacement re-do for my wife, unfortunately a repeat of the 2 lumbar back operations sequence my dear Donna needed, I got hit with shingles and all the painful consequences.
For a day or so I have had the use of both eyes, and in a week or so predict I will be able to contribute to this VERY important thread.
Since Brian has developed significant lower body stability margin, the scene now shifts to my second most favorite subject, the 'trade off between club head velocity and club face position and path accuracy/repeatability. In the few swings he made, with only data on angular velocity, there are strong indications of, as the cute ole joke goes, "there's a pony in here someplace".
See y'all soon (is that how to say it Brian ???)
Brian Manzella
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Here is the way I see it:
The "stock swing" on ENSO-pro was a flawed technique.
Speeding up the bottom of the handle "UNLOCKED" speed that was already there.
Remember, I was trying to catch a MAJOR WINNER with a similar hand speed (.7-.9 mph more).
The "stock swing" on ENSO-pro was a flawed technique.
Speeding up the bottom of the handle "UNLOCKED" speed that was already there.
Remember, I was trying to catch a MAJOR WINNER with a similar hand speed (.7-.9 mph more).
Brian -
At what point in the downswing, prior to the first touch, is the face closure rate static (if at all)? Or, is the face closure rate going all over the place and dynamic before the first touch so anybody that is looking at the clubface closing on video is just guessing about the invisible force closing the clubface?
At what point in the downswing, prior to the first touch, is the face closure rate static (if at all)? Or, is the face closure rate going all over the place and dynamic before the first touch so anybody that is looking at the clubface closing on video is just guessing about the invisible force closing the clubface?
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