NEW BLOCKBUSTER 20 minute VIDEO - Preliminary ENSO Findings - by Brian Manzella

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...Speeding up the bottom of the handle "UNLOCKED" speed that was already there...

Let me tell ya, that info right there Brian is GOLD! Figure out a way to increase this and you have yourself a best selling video, you think NSA was a good seller, teach people to hit the ball 25 yards further and you will be on the cover of Golf Magazine. Everybody is looking to increase their club head speed.
 
Just curious if the major winner tried to increase his handle speed and if he picked up more speed or if he was already maxxed out?
 
Dear Brian,

Sorry for the silence. A few days ago, just as we were finishing up the details of a right hip replacement re-do for my wife, unfortunately a repeat of the 2 lumbar back operations sequence my dear Donna needed, I got hit with shingles and all the painful consequences.

For a day or so I have had the use of both eyes, and in a week or so predict I will be able to contribute to this VERY important thread.

Since Brian has developed significant lower body stability margin, the scene now shifts to my second most favorite subject, the 'trade off between club head velocity and club face position and path accuracy/repeatability. In the few swings he made, with only data on angular velocity, there are strong indications of, as the cute ole joke goes, "there's a pony in here someplace".

See y'all soon (is that how to say it Brian ???)

Art,

Get well soon to both you and your wife. You've been missed.
 
Here is the way I see it:

The "stock swing" on ENSO-pro was a flawed technique.

Speeding up the bottom of the handle "UNLOCKED" speed that was already there.

This sounds pretty damn good. I need to get a hold of my old time buddy Mikey Sposa and see if
I can get some time with ENSO. I guess I'll have to show an interest in Fuji shafts again. lol
 
Just curious if the major winner tried to increase his handle speed and if he picked up more speed or if he was already maxxed out?

Good question. I'd guess that he wasn't maxxed out, but possibly didn't like the feel of adding much more pressure at that point in the swing.
 
He was working for Fujikura a few years - I don't know if he still is. I knew Mike when he played for Tennessee - good guy.

He became the Fuji Tour Rep back in 2008 I believe. Haven't talked with him in quite awhile. Saw this
YouTube video on the Fuji ENSO fitting and he was shown swinging. Just realized it was from 2010. I
don't know if he is still with Fuji. Played a lot with him when he was on the Nike and PGA Tours back
in the '90's. Good player.

 
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Tiny but thread jack here....

Yuck...I had a bout of shingles a few years ago. Hope you and the missus are doing OK.

A buddy got the shingles so bad that a bunch of us golfing pals IMMEDIATELY went out and got the preventive shot.

A year later, he's still messed up .... look into getting the shot guys.....


BACK TO THIS AWESOME THREAD.... I imagine shoulder adduction and abduction comes into play here with regard to handle / grip rotation.
 
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SteveT

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.... I imagine shoulder adduction and abduction comes into play here with regard to handle / grip rotation

How about supination and pronation of the hands holding and possibly torquing the handle/grip? Your thought...?!
 

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Just wanted to post a THANKS to Brian for this material. Was playing 9 this morning and after getting beat up on the 5th hole, the coupling point idea came to mind. I implemented it on the next tee box, to great affect...and from there hit 7 of the next 8 full shots in a way that I haven't hit in years, cleaning up on these last holes to avoid paying out in our group's betting. This is great! For anyone that wants to know, the downswing has a little bit of tumble, a little bit of face closing, with the club dropping down to the delivery area, and then...leverage the heck out of the handle, giving it everything I've got. Amazing, that the hips, legs, torso etc get recruited so the handle levering occurs to the max without me evern trying to position or command them - fantastic!
 

art

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Here is the way I see it:

The "stock swing" on ENSO-pro was a flawed technique.

Speeding up the bottom of the handle "UNLOCKED" speed that was already there.

Remember, I was trying to catch a MAJOR WINNER with a similar hand speed (.7-.9 mph more).

Dear Brian,

CAUTION WE ARE ENTERING THE NO SPIN SCIENCE ZONE

But, we have the opportunity to be entering an area where science CAN be a great help, but IMO, the data gathered, are starting to be interpreted incorrectly, maybe even unscientifically, due to some assumptions/ questionable observations.

As an example, the velocity of the club head (in feet per second) is simply the Angular velocity of the club (in radians per second), times the radius of rotation (in feet). The confusion comes from the fact that the grip end of the club is also moving by the rotation of the left arm, the upper element of this double pendulum. So the combined effect of these two rotating elements is that the 'actual' 3D point of rotation that results in the 'actual arc' of the club head is constantly changing, so I describe this activity as the 'instantaneous center/point of rotation'(ICR) and for Brian's swings on ENSO result in the following radii using his 'actual' angular velocity and his ‘actual’ club head speeds he provided in the video.

(1) Normal swing, 2074 degrees per second, and 102.5 miles per hour CHS resulted in an 'instantaneous center of rotation of 51 inches.
(2) Spider man, 2182 degrees per second and 101.2 miles per hour CHS, resulted in an ICR of 46.5 inches,
(3) 'Square' 2044 degrees per second and 103.1 miles per hour CHS, resulted in an ICR of 50.5 inches, and finally,
(4) 'Open to closed', 2085 degrees per second and 101.3 miles per hour CHS resulted in an ICR of 48.7 inches.

What this strongly suggests to me is that AT IMPACT for all 4 swings, the ICR is about a foot ABOVE the ‘coupling point’, along the line of the shaft. So to increase club head speed at this Brian-created set of conditions, IMO, for increased CHV, would suggest the addition of a torque/couple around this ICR, NOT the coupling point, (which would SHORTEN the radius, and significantly reduce the club head velocity).

Finally, and my science CAUTION from above, IMO it is crucial to have the ‘handle rotation velocity’ versus time graphs NOT just at impact, but at least from the time of max kinematic sequence velocity of the left arm, but most desirably for the entire downswing.
From these angular velocity continuous curves we can accurately determine (by integration) the angular change in position, and the angular acceleration (by differentiation), using the slope of the angular velocity at any time, not just at impact.

I call all of this ‘Inside the kinematic sequence’, so in addition to all of you reading this, I hope the attendees and especially the scientists from Anti Summit II will weigh in here to enlighten all of us regarding their thoughts about Brian’s data and this critical area.
 

Brian Manzella

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Hey Art!

How is everyone doing at the house?

Hopefully very well.


So...


No doubt the club is NOT rotating about the coupling point down by the ball.


In fact, the "normal force" we always talk about is not "perpendicular to the club path" but to the 'instantaneous center/point of rotation'(ICR). Slightly simplified for the "market."


And no doubt, that whatever conditions I changed in the "spider-man" swing, making the bottom of the grip go faster was one of them.
 
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