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How can Tiger have low self esteem? he has been heralded as great since he was about ten.

If anything he has opposite problem.
 
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ekennedy said:
Tiger Woods is not weak-minded by any stretch.

Neither is Brett Favre or Ben Roethlisberger.
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No doubt as far as their respective sports go, but you have to entertain the idea that they are very insecure individuals off the course and field. To me Tiger is now the Bobby Fischer of golf.. (in the sense thatBF's chess genius was tarnished with controversy)My new nickname for him is the "Salivating Savant.":p

Nicklaus did what he did without imploding (as far as we know:)):)No doubt in my mind that Nicklaus (overall) owns Tiger Woods! :D:D I expect more controversy from him in the future...he clearly does not have the degree of self-control off the course that many attribute to his mental game on the course. And yes, it does matter what he does off the course.
 
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Richie3Jack said:
...most golfers really don't have the foggiest idea about the golf swing. So if they get a teacher that 'sells' them on their theories, no matter how wacky they are, they wind up making swing changes even if they don't need them.
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And they think everone else is making changes for the better, so they better too or they might get left behind. You get this in coaches too though...

Coaches are becoming more and more powerful in golf, no doubt about it. As has been mentioned most tour players are lost when it comes to managing their careers - that why they have agents and swing coaches. They need someone to tell them what to do, so they can just go and play golf. If you're unlucky you decide on the wrong coach, your career is finished if you're a mere mortal. If your golfing genius like Tiger you might just survive it.

I predict a big future coming very soon for the BManz coaching tour players for many reasons, believe it;)
 
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wulsy said:
I disagree. Tiger swing is in terms of the "DNA" factor still totally recognisable as Tiger's swing. But his changes have moved him far enough away from his DNA, that even a guy with his talent has looked like a single figure handicaper on a bad day. I suppose this is the art of teaching - knowing what you can and can't do with a player. I think if Jack had been on tour today he would have rejected swing changes which didn't work for him and would have "kept" his swing. Jack was a much stronger guy physically and mentally than Tiger.

What are then the DNA factors: acceleration profiles couple with anatomically dependent mechanical movements?
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HAHAHA...are you kidding me? stronger phsyically and mentally? right....I'd say about the same. Tiger has the edge in athletic ability.
 
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chipingguru said:
How can Tiger have low self esteem? he has been heralded as great since he was about ten.

If anything he has opposite problem.
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Right, he felt like he couldn't be touched.. And he couldn't have been touch in any other sport.. trust me. I know some professional basketball players and trust me.. its not different than what tiger did. Were they married? Yea.. Me and the boys had a talk about this the other day.
 
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aaron_lohan said:
Very true, it takes an unbalanced individual to make a top 10 ranked sportsman, more so to become a legend.
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an unbalanced individual yeah, but they don't have low self-esteems. They are perfectionist, addicted, and what they do is their life. They are hungry to get better.. it's almost an OCD... actually it is. Their greatness is also their weakness.

I read about how crazy sugar ray robinson was.. he was paranoid as hell and always had to be hearing everything in his house.. LOL
 
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They look an excellent set of driver swings - the results speak for themselves, clearly. From a technical perspective, I would have thought being 'behind' it would encourage hitting more on the upswing and an earlier release, which I am led to believe is more optimal for a driver. After all, to hit on the up, low point must be behind the ball.

But with an iron, especially with a centred ball position, it's slightly different; you want low point ahead of the ball. With that in mind, I'd question the head position aspect. I'm not sure I buy the whip analogy. Assuming the lower body leads, and lag and axis tilt are created, why is the head position crucial? But that's off topic.
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Head forward leads to early release, not vice versa.
 
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what else can Tiger do? Jack went to OSU on a basketball scholarship. Strength? Ever seen Nicklaus' pins? The one thing I give Tiger over Jack is his short game, but then he needs it a lot more than Jack did! :) I wonder if Tiger would have been able to thread a persimmon an average of 270-80 yards, 70-75% of the time? The overall talent may be deeper these days but the top dogs of yesteryear have no modern equivalents. Tiger is obviously the exception, and that is a big reason why he is dominant. I am holding thumbs for some great young talent to validate my views on this.
 
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ScottRob said:
what else can Tiger do? Jack went to OSU on a basketball scholarship. Strength? Ever seen Nicklaus' pins? The one thing I give Tiger over Jack is his short game, but then he needs it a lot more than Jack did! :) I wonder if Tiger would have been able to thread a persimmon an average of 270-80 yards, 70-75% of the time? The overall talent may be deeper these days but the top dogs of yesteryear have no modern equivalents. Tiger is obviously the exception, and that is a big reason why he is dominant. I am holding thumbs for some great young talent to validate my views on this.
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Tiger could run.. he ran track? I don't know..hmm.. Tiger is in phenomenal shape. There is a difference between strength and power. Tiger has more power. I'm positive of it. Not taking anything away from jack but tiger is the better athlete. Jack played basketball? so? that was like in the 1950's. lol jk
 
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Jack knocked the insert out of his driver three times his first year on tour. With the new equipment and ball young fat jack would be right with Tiger in length, and in play a lot more. Jack was brutally strong and his legs were super powerful.

No contest IMO as an overall driver.
 
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chipingguru said:
Jack knocked the insert out of his driver three times his first year on tour. With the new equipment and ball young fat jack would be right with Tiger in length, and in play a lot more. Jack was brutally strong and his legs were super powerful.

No contest IMO as an overall driver.
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Well, I can def say they changed the game.. Jack brought power..so a lot of players today play with power.. however.. weren't there a thing people called "Tiger-proofing". 27 yr old jack vs 27 yr old tiger.... I still think Tiger is the better athlete..

Yeah, jack's fade off the tee was great. He was in the fairway more... But when tiger is hot with his driver. he's simply unstoppable. Unless theres a hot porn star in the crowd.
 
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The young Jack with today's equipment looks like he woulda been longer than Tiger, IMO.

Look at the first swing on that video Brian linked. Looks like he woulda knocked the paint off the ball.
 
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Everyone says.. "todays equipment".. stop making excuses for him. Hahaha.. well Tiger Woods was longer in the 90's.. 43 inch driver hitting 300+. My instructor said 100 yards and in..Jack wasn't the best lol. Overall game goes to.... TIGER.
 
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I busted out an old Wilson persimmon the other day and hit some balls. The margin for error is a hell of a lot smaller than in a modern driver.
 
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One of the pictures Brain posted shows a guy who stays pretty much exactly in the tripod. Does anyone know who that is? :confused:
 
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