Sergio Garcia Analysis by Brian Manzella...Golf Magazine Style!
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1-b
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i understand hogan double-shifted but how do we fix sergio ?
brian,
i'm more in the koo-koo for cocoa puffs category. nice ad homenim argument by the way.
but do you think if sergio had the clubshaft pointing at the plane line while he double-shifted his ball striking stats would improve?
According to the noted philosopher Donald Paul Villavaso, there are three kinds of looney people.
Koo-Koo • Ka-Koo • kook-a-loo
1. Koo-koo : Like the ones in "One flew over the Cuckoo's Nest," these folks are the kind you put in the white coats. Certifiable.
2. Ka-Koo : A little goofy. Silly rabbit, twix are for kids.
3. Kook-a-loo : Weirdo, wacko, out there.
Anyone who thinks that Sergio needs to switch—mid-career—to a single-shift is definitely one of the three. Ever heard of Marty Fleckman?
Anyone that thinks Homer Kelley was infallible, and "The Golfing Machine" is a perfect piece of work that can withstand 3-D machines, real math guys like Zick and Grober, trackman, and real-world teaching is ABSOLUTELY looney-tunes.
My suggestion, 1-b, Homerisgod or whatever, is that you stick around these parts for a year, and soak up the best information and explanations in the whole biz.
Arguing with a total zealot is a waste of my time, which is a waste of the many folks who are here to learn from me.
brian,
i'm more in the koo-koo for cocoa puffs category. nice ad homenim argument by the way.
but do you think if sergio had the clubshaft pointing at the plane line while he double-shifted his ball striking stats would improve?
Brian Manzella
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Well...
Sometimes, the book crowd just wears me out. I talked for you for 2 hours on the phone, made 100 good points, but in the end, it was like talking to a wall.
But, if you want to play—and lose—I'll oblige today.
YOUR QUESTION:
"do you think if sergio had the clubshaft pointing at the plane line while he double-shifted his ball striking stats would improve?"
MY RESPONSE:
Ever heard of parallax?
Sometimes, the book crowd just wears me out. I talked for you for 2 hours on the phone, made 100 good points, but in the end, it was like talking to a wall.
But, if you want to play—and lose—I'll oblige today.
YOUR QUESTION:
"do you think if sergio had the clubshaft pointing at the plane line while he double-shifted his ball striking stats would improve?"
MY RESPONSE:
Ever heard of parallax?
1-b
Banned
Brian Manzella
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Parallax
Parallax - The difference between the view of an object as seen through the picture-taking lens of a camera and the view as seen through a separate viewfinder.
I agree that once the lever assemblies have been loaded, the sweetspot plane should intersect with Sergio's intended plane line.
The problem is that—read this very closely—unless the camera lens is precisely on the exact same plane as the shaft (or sweetspot plane), at the exact same moment in time, the picture will not show an accurate representation of where the sucker actually points.
Why?
Because of PARALLAX!
Got it now?
Good.
Stick around, I told you you'd learn something.
Parallax - The difference between the view of an object as seen through the picture-taking lens of a camera and the view as seen through a separate viewfinder.
I agree that once the lever assemblies have been loaded, the sweetspot plane should intersect with Sergio's intended plane line.
The problem is that—read this very closely—unless the camera lens is precisely on the exact same plane as the shaft (or sweetspot plane), at the exact same moment in time, the picture will not show an accurate representation of where the sucker actually points.
Why?
Because of PARALLAX!
Got it now?
Good.
Stick around, I told you you'd learn something.
Brian Manzella
Administrator
Ben Hogan and Sergio.
Bucket!
Bucket!
i dont believe hogan in that pic is laid off. thats an iron shot so it can be presumed he isnt making a complete shoulder turn.
there are many illusions in golf. parallax, another thread talks about husge wrist cock is an illusion, and that photo and photos of many others i've seen appear laid off but just havnt completed their turn.
Is sergio laid off however???
i think he is but only because his lack of wrist hinge in the backswing IMO.
could well be wrong
birdie_man
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They are in the process of shifting........yes?
1-b
Banned
learning can be fun even when you're wrong !
brian,
thanks so much, i like learning a lot. i did not realize that sergio and hogan had equally good downswing planes. the concept of parallax helps explain a lot.
Parallax - The difference between the view of an object as seen through the picture-taking lens of a camera and the view as seen through a separate viewfinder.
I agree that once the lever assemblies have been loaded, the sweetspot plane should intersect with Sergio's intended plane line.
The problem is that—read this very closely—unless the camera lens is precisely on the exact same plane as the shaft (or sweetspot plane), at the exact same moment in time, the picture will not show an accurate representation of where the sucker actually points.
Why?
Because of PARALLAX!
Got it now?
Good.
Stick around, I told you you'd learn something.
brian,
thanks so much, i like learning a lot. i did not realize that sergio and hogan had equally good downswing planes. the concept of parallax helps explain a lot.
1-b
Banned
parallax ?
brian,
i could not find a correlative picture of sergio in the same position as hogan. could that be because the camera lens was not aimed precisely on the sweetspot plane of the the presentation ceremony.parallax does explain this ?
Bucket!
brian,
i could not find a correlative picture of sergio in the same position as hogan. could that be because the camera lens was not aimed precisely on the sweetspot plane of the the presentation ceremony.parallax does explain this ?
toejamrichie
Banned
It ain't me!!!!
Hey Brian
I'd never touch Sergio's shift . . . this is one of the best swings on the planet . . .
If you "fix' that shift . . . no more datin' Greg Norman's sister or mom or whoever he's datin' . . . he's gotta trade in the Michelob for PBR . . . and sleep in a van.
Hey Brian
I'd never touch Sergio's shift . . . this is one of the best swings on the planet . . .
If you "fix' that shift . . . no more datin' Greg Norman's sister or mom or whoever he's datin' . . . he's gotta trade in the Michelob for PBR . . . and sleep in a van.
toejamrichie
Banned
B . . . do you have the rest of these pics?
Would love to see the compare . . . very nice.
there are PLENTY OF CATS . . . that have it pointing well outside the plane line at this point . . . Snead also comes to mind . . .
Most of the best ball strikers got the left shoulder low pretty deep into the down swing . . .
Pretty interesting that Homer's critque of Bobby Clampett's move in that 1980-whatever sequence was that his right shoulder was "too high."
Would love to see the compare . . . very nice.
there are PLENTY OF CATS . . . that have it pointing well outside the plane line at this point . . . Snead also comes to mind . . .
Most of the best ball strikers got the left shoulder low pretty deep into the down swing . . .
Pretty interesting that Homer's critque of Bobby Clampett's move in that 1980-whatever sequence was that his right shoulder was "too high."
1-b
Banned
putting?
damon,
good points. thanks for addressing the issues. putting leaders do tend to have lower gir's , especially in the top thirty. but this alone does not give us a complete picture of sergios' putting.
his proximity to the hole ranking was 72nd while he ranked 15th in putting average, 17th in putts per round , 102nd in average distance of putts made , and 1st in three-putt avoidance. i'd say a pretty good putter overall.
in your analysis it sounds like every putt is important. i would agree !
damon,
good points. thanks for addressing the issues. putting leaders do tend to have lower gir's , especially in the top thirty. but this alone does not give us a complete picture of sergios' putting.
his proximity to the hole ranking was 72nd while he ranked 15th in putting average, 17th in putts per round , 102nd in average distance of putts made , and 1st in three-putt avoidance. i'd say a pretty good putter overall.
in your analysis it sounds like every putt is important. i would agree !
Kevin Shields
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brian,
i could not find a correlative picture of sergio in the same position as hogan. could that be because the camera lens was not aimed precisely on the sweetspot plane of the the presentation ceremony.parallax does explain this ?
That's the only time that Hogan's right wrist is ever arched.
toejamrichie
Banned
Uh no . . .
That flat plane deal . . . is "his move." You can't teach that out.
AND . . .if you try to get his right shoulder going downplane IMMEDIATELY he couldn't find the ball. The flat plane is the reason the dude turns on top of it and goes left so hard . . . otherwise it's snipe city. With the hands that deep and the plane that flat . . . he needs to get the club going out and then around the corner. flat plane = turny . . . steep plane = tilty
Once you un-shift Sergio and get his right shoulder going down early . . . you may as well change his birth certificate to read Ian Baker-Finch or Chip Beck.
Sergio doesn't need to change his move . . . somebody needs to chop his head off and put Tom Kite's head up there or something.
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Brian Manzella
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Sergio and somebody's ideas.
TRACKMAN may end all of this.
If you make the PATH and CLUBFACE do what they need to do, at the right speed, you'll find out if you can putt real fast.
All that other stuff is SHOWBIZ.
Teaching—REAL Teaching—is getting people do it.
TRACKMAN may end all of this.
If you make the PATH and CLUBFACE do what they need to do, at the right speed, you'll find out if you can putt real fast.
All that other stuff is SHOWBIZ.
Teaching—REAL Teaching—is getting people do it.
matt kluck
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Brian,
Real teaching is left to the very few who know. I am lucky to be a part of that knowledge. God bless the knowledge inherent of the people who seek it.
MK
Real teaching is left to the very few who know. I am lucky to be a part of that knowledge. God bless the knowledge inherent of the people who seek it.
MK
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