The Release w/Brian Manzella & Michael Jacobs

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carland

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At around 3:15 on Brian's video, he talks about "dragging" the coupling point and then getting to a location on the downswing where you "start to line the club up." Around 6:30 on the video, Brian talks about the low point of the coupling point.

Does most of the club's rotation around the coupling point start when the hands reach low point in front of the right thigh?
 
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Brian Manzella

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Actually, the beginning of the rotation around the coupling point will probably happen sooner than the low point of the coupling point.

And, it may FEEL LIKE it happens right away.
 
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carland

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1. How much does the club rotate around the coupling point from the top of the backswing to low point of the hands? Since there's still some lag in the shaft, would it be 30 degrees or so?

2. How much does the club rotate around the coupling point from the low point of the hands to the point where the right wrist straightens out after impact? Would it be around 180 degrees?
 
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Brian Manzella said:
Actually, the beginning of the rotation around the coupling point will probably happen sooner than the low point of the coupling point.

And, it may FEEL LIKE it happens right away.
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Just to clear up some mis-understanding on my part, is it being stated that the cp is a point of rotation, ie a hinge? Michael told me in a post that nothing was being said about hinge action.
 
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dbl

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Rotation about a point is not the same as a hinge. For one thing a point can have 360 degree swiveling about (theoretically).

However, I'm not sure how precise they mean to be about these terms.
 
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Suweeet! Got it. That answers how it works in chipping and pitch shots. Just rotate the coupling point along the low point line at the desired length and speed. Works every time! Picture that motion at full speed on a full shot and watch a soft draw with a shallow divot. Brian you rock!!!!
 
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dbl said:
Rotation about a point is not the same as a hinge. For one thing a point can have 360 degree swiveling about (theoretically).

However, I'm not sure how precise they mean to be about these terms.
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I understand--rotation about a point is what I mean. Is the cp defined as a point about which rotation is taking place?

I guess I'm looking for as precise a definition of coupling point as possible....much preferred to a "delicate" one.
 
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Ok. Of course the hands are moving through space, so your frame of reference is to be ...what?

As well, it could be the point shifts slightly as the weighty clubhead moves from one side to another or due to momentum changes (ie there is an impact/collision in the flick interval).
 
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willimatic

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I'm sure this picture has been shown in this massive thread but here it is again!

I'd say Vijay didn't have any force across the shaft at impact.

Vijay-Singh-driver_299x399.jpg
 
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dbl said:
Ok. Of course the hands are moving through space, so your frame of reference is to be ...what?

As well, it could be the point shifts slightly as the weighty clubhead moves from one side to another or due to momentum changes (ie there is an impact/collision in the flick interval).
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dbl, that's my whole argument. The "coupling point" has been defined as a point of reference and I'm merely asking: "Why there?" Why is the coupling point defined in that exact position. Is it because the hands come together there? Fine.

Is it because that is a useful spot to track hands path, low point? Fine.

Is it because that is the spot "about which the handle rotates" to facilitate "line-up?" I would take issue with that.
 
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Kevin Lutes

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Went to the range first time today with this info.

9 iron - skulled every one.
6 iron - a lot better, but quite a few misses.
Driver - smoked it. Unreal.
9 iron(again) - slowed it down a little and improved immensely.

The freewheeling feel is fantastic. I was also ending up on my right toes, which I never could do before. I like it.
 
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Kevin Lutes said:
The freewheeling feel is fantastic. I was also ending up on my right toes, which I never could do before. I like it.
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Balance has been one of the most fun parts of this whole thing. I hit about a 100 chips and pitches just focusing on the coupling point and low point.Then walked up to my driver and swung with no swing thoughts, perfect drive and perfect balance. I also never swung with no swing thoughts. I literally just took the club back and swung. Figured that was a good time to end a 3 hour range session. I've always had at least 4 swing thoughts to hit a decent shot.
 
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I just watched Brian's video, it helped clear some thoughts in my head...The flick move he talked about is the exact way Hogan said you should waggle the club; I find that very interesting.
 
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footwedge

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Brian Manzella said:
If you took 100 random golfers to the range, videoed the before form face on, and taught them the full rotation around the coupling point "flick," as a group they would wound up with MORE so-called "lag" in the after video.

Mike Jacobs made a good point to me on the phone tonight: What does the soccer kicker do? Does he purposely lead with the knee? Does he drag his foot like a wet mop?

To quote a guy would loves to quote others:

Pu-leeze.
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Is this the result of been misled by video? It's like a pitcher in baseball throwing a fastball, you see his arm contorted and it looks like he's trying not to get rid of the ball but holding on to it for dear life. I doubt that's what he's doing, I think it's the opposite, he's trying to get rid of it as fast as he can and hit his release point.

How else could you throw a 98 mph. fastball, hang on and try for the lag look, you would probably screw yourself into the ground with the ball bouncing off the turf in front of you , good for killing ants I guess.:)
 
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Kevin Lutes said:
Went to the range first time today with this info.

9 iron - skulled every one.
6 iron - a lot better, but quite a few misses.
Driver - smoked it. Unreal.
9 iron(again) - slowed it down a little and improved immensely.

The freewheeling feel is fantastic. I was also ending up on my right toes, which I never could do before. I like it.
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Try not releasing as early with the irons especially the short ones. For me every club has a different release point.
 
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footwedge said:
Is this the result of been misled by video? It's like a pitcher in baseball throwing a fastball, you see his arm contorted and it looks like he's trying not to get rid of the ball but holding on to it for dear life. I doubt that's what he's doing, I think it's the opposite, he's trying to get rid of it as fast as he can and hit his release point.

How else could you throw a 98 mph. fastball, hang on and try for the lag look, you would probably screw yourself into the ground with the ball bouncing off the turf in front of you , good for killing ants I guess.:)
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Actually u can hang on to a 98 mph fastball longer than a 68 mph fastball. It's all in the wrist flick.
 
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