Dariusz J.
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No...what is pathetic is just omittng Hogan's heritage. No matter if its omitting via TGM way or Manzella way.
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Tiger Swing from Long Ago....
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Dariusz J.
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I usually go to sleep at 2:30. I go to sleep late and start the day late too, if you want to know. As I already told you, Mr. Shitstirring, everyone wonders why do you watch when people in Lodz go to sleep, LOL.
I really wanted to comment in the topic, but after reading your post...sorry, was not possible...LMAO.
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I really wanted to comment in the topic, but after reading your post...sorry, was not possible...LMAO.
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This is an old saw! I think the comments related to Byron Nelson have merit. My pops was well acquainted with Bobby Locke. Locke said that Byron Nelson was the best to ever lace em' up. This was post-WWII when Nelson was at the end of it all. In terms Of tee to green he is unsurpassed, but he is lost in the shuffle because he had very little mystique about him.
I have a short Byron Nelson story. My wife calls it my stalker story. I was a college freshman new to the States. I "befriended" a young lady from Grapevine, TX. She mentioned that there was some famous old golfer that lived on a ranch nearby (Roanoke as it turns out.) I knew instantly who it was (afterall his dream was to have a ranch.) So, I paid Mr. Nelson a visit. Nothing ventured nothing gained, right? Fortunately for his privacy he was not in. I wrote him a short note. I expressed my admiration, and for points I added that the late Mr. Locke was a friend of my fathers.
3 days later I recieved a hand written note. It read:
Nice to hear from you! I am sorry but I do not wish people to come to my home to see me and ask questions. That would be nice but I don't have the time to do so. Sincerely Byron Nelson.
I was so pleased to recieve the note that I never felt chided.He also included a signature card autograph, as well as a b&w publicity photo (As honorary starter at Augusta) autographed to me. So I recieved four autographs (I kept the manilla envelope that he sent it all in)
I never grew up fixated on Hogan. The stories that came to me through my Dad from a 4 time Open champion (that was dominant in America during the years he cared to compete there) said that Nelson was peerless tee to green.So I was always a Lord Byron fan. Locke also had a high regard for Snead, but emphasized over and over that not only was Nelson a consumate gentleman, but also the best tee to green....followed by....?
Great story!
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Dariusz J.
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This is especially ironic advice coming from you, D.
Not at all. If you follow my studies you will learn that I criticize Hogan more than needed. This is why I am proud of - I criticize Hogan where all want to kiss his ass and bless him while all do not know why...
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I criticize Hogan where all want to kiss his ass and bless him while all do not know why...
Perhaps I'll make a motto with it !
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Dariusz J.
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Perhaps....but opposite to others - neither ever kiss anyone's butt nor being a mindless flag going with the wind.
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This is especially ironic advice coming from you, D.
More like never use Dariusz's name to prove anything except for drunken posting...lmao.
Another Hogan expert that never even met the man, yawn!
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Kevin Shields
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He never saw Nelson or Snead in their prime and only played with Hogan when he was a star struck impressionable 20 year old college kid.
I love Hogan and would watch his swing any chance I get. But the fascination with it is weird to me. He had his equipment doctored to the max and had to hit 5 practice balls to Nelson's 1 to get the exact same results so who's swing is better?
He had his equipment doctored to the max and had to hit 5 practice balls to Nelson's 1 to get the exact same results so who's swing is better?[/QUOTE]
Jackie Burke Jr. said the same thing except he mentioned Snead instead of Nelson as another one who didn't have to practice as much and maintain his swing as much. The problem comes not from admiring Hogan's swing, but as using it as a model to teach others.
Jackie Burke Jr. said the same thing except he mentioned Snead instead of Nelson as another one who didn't have to practice as much and maintain his swing as much. The problem comes not from admiring Hogan's swing, but as using it as a model to teach others.
Im with you Kevin. Hogans work ethic and grind were more magical than the motion itself IMHO. As a matter of fact, after the accident Hogan himself asked "why would anyone want to swing like a cripple?" He could have made a ton of swings work, he'd cut your heart out with a spoon before he'd let you beat him.
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I don't believe he had to hit five balls to Nelson's one to maintain his swing, I believe it came out of his obsessive compulsiveness. There is a beauty in Hogans swing its like watching poetry in motion, does that make it the best, maybe not, but if I got to choose one swing from the annals of history, I pick Hogan, maybe you pick Faldo, lol.
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lol???
Dariusz J.
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Maybe I was too harsh yesterday and my posts were not very wise, but it was not me who started attacking other members in a very rude way. I was attacked and just defended myself as sharp as my English allows no matter if I am after a few or not.
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Dariusz J.
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Even if we assume that it is true - is doctoring clubs prohibited today ? Does Woods or other pros hit off-the shelf clubs ? What kind of an argument it is ?
And I doubt you love Hogan and his swing, judging from your posts.
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Kevin Shields
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I do, period. I have all his books and a picture from Merion in my office. I just dont use his swing as an exemplar of mechanics that should be copied or revered. Its the man, not his swing.
tiger needs to get away from the notion of owning his swing, no one has ever come close and no one ever will. what to hell is he doing, he had a swing that was one of the best in the history of the game a swing that just needed slight tweaking and he has morphed it into a swing that is unrecognisable from his natural motion. if tiger improved his launch conditions with the driver he could consistently hit it over 300 yrds with a very controlled swing, enabling him to hit more fairways. and as someone else said he is now concentrating too much time on his swing and not enough on the part that set him head and shoulders above the rest, his short game. tiger needs a reality check foley is not the man to get him back on track, he is arrogant and cocky and worst of all he is a method teacher a method that is the opposite of tigers natural swing. tiger should get back to the basics and stop with all this method nonsence.
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