What Kind of Release is this? & Can an effective swing include no deceleration?

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Geoffrey?

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What is interesting to me are the "club" #s in pics 4, 5, & 6. Faster in #4 than in # 5 and then faster than #4 in #6. Does that mean that the club slows down mid swing (approx. lead arm parallel to club shaft parallel) and then reaccelerates to impact? Everything in #5 is slower than #4.

Bruce
 
As a friend (and fan) of this forum, I may only be speaking for myself...but here goes.

I genuinely wish we spent more time advancing Brian's teaching philosophies and less time disproving others. I understand that BManz may get trashed on other sites (all non-conformists get trashed), but it sounds like I'm the only person who doesn't visit all the websites to see what crazy theory they've created now.

Brian, his instructors and the scientists they consult have done a great service for the world of golf and I, for one, am carrying on that torch and trying to educate the masses.

Life is too short to convince the unconvincable.

Move on.

Eric -

Great post. I wish we'd just get back to talking about golf instruction, helping students, talking about equipment and fitting, and so on. I do think Brian is "fighting the good fight" and he obviously wants to learn more about the swing and apply some of what he is learning to his teaching. It seems that almost every other damn post is a movie reference, a youtube video, or some tumblr link that, for the most, part doesn't help anyone or prove a point. How much bandwidth has been wasted...? I agree that the energy shouldn't be spent on worrying about what other people think about Brian's methods/theories. There will always be detractors or those who think their approach is better. That's life. Get over it.

Rant over.

Erik

Aside from the content (which goes without saying), the thing I like most about this forum is the people I’ve met and the personalities I’ve got to know. From the Academy guys to the regular guys, I’ve grown up with and gone to battle with these same personalities my entire competitive career. It’s the only lasting thing I miss about being in a team dynamic. That being the case, it’s not easy to sit back and watch haymakers thrown at guys you like and respect. Sure not everything said is responded to, nor worthy of a response, but I’m not one to keep quiet when friends get shots taken at them. That’s on a personal level.

On an ideological level, some ideas are so ridiculous they should be exposed, criticized, disproven, and linked to their rightful owners. There is a masquerade of amateur gurus who only attempt to gain a voice by harming guys who are actually driven to help golfers get better. They exist primarily online or at the ass end of some range somewhere. Not attempting to be better golfers, but rather hoping to ridicule anyone who does not share their fanaticism for their man crush du jour. These guys are leaches on a great game. How do you tolerate a leach?

The irony is that when one of these types gets exposed or discussed, it gives them a temporarily louder voice than they normally have. That’s the dilemma… do you talk about something that has next to no audience, or do you give it its :15 in order to set things straight and juxtapose crazy with sane? Personally, I’d rather stick up for my friends and poke the nonsense with a stick, but I realize no one needs a deep woods intellect to stick up for them and this ain’t my house. In the spirit of Thanksgiving, I’m just thankful some of the instinctual outbursts are tolerated (they come from a pure place :)) and I still have a working login.
 
As a friend (and fan) of this forum, I may only be speaking for myself...but here goes.

I genuinely wish we spent more time advancing Brian's teaching philosophies and less time disproving others. I understand that BManz may get trashed on other sites (all non-conformists get trashed), but it sounds like I'm the only person who doesn't visit all the websites to see what crazy theory they've created now.

Brian, his instructors and the scientists they consult have done a great service for the world of golf and I, for one, am carrying on that torch and trying to educate the masses.

Life is too short to convince the unconvincable.

Move on.

Incredibly accurate post, can't be denied! My feelings exactly!! Thanks to Bmanz and crew!!!

I also absolutely agree with mgranato! Phonies beware, these guys swing back. Not only do you fakers get your butts kicked, they can show you how and why. Team Manzella, my hats off to you. Don't stop doing what you do, please!!
 
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The hits just keep on coming.....

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I'm not recognizing who this cat is... anyone?
 

ZAP

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I sort of like the debate ending type posts. Sometimes in reading through them another light bulb goes on for me. There are layers of understanding some of this for sure. I remember first learning about D-plane and thinking I knew it. Then after additional study I realized I only scratched the surface of understanding.

And even though I visit no other instructional site except this one I am sure some of the things that are said about these guys needs to be shot down.

Keep up the good work!
 

lia41985

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I'm not recognizing who this cat is... anyone?
Sergio

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While some are drawing lines on blurry videos I'm reading between the lines at the airport. How are you gonna talk theory when you haven't even read the book? I give thanks to God for my mind and for all of you who want to share in learning. Let's get it, then...
 
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66er

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Padraig Harrington was interviewed recently, he said his main goal in practice right now is working on hip deceleration, made no sense to me at the time, keep learning here.
 

Jared Willerson

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FWIW, I also agree wholeheartedly with Granato. Someone, that I have met played golf with and taken a lesson from Brian with, from this forum and consider a pal.
 

Brian Manzella

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Back to the regular scheduled programming.....


There are few folks in the biz (and a couple who wish they were in the biz) who think that there is NO DECELERATION in the pelvis, torso, arms, or hands.

There is.

But, the question must be asked to why could anyone be so goofy that they THINK they see something that has be proven without a shadow of a doubt not to exist.

Simple, they are lost in a frame of reference conundrum.

What I am saying is simple—they are not blind, they actually see something. But their frame of reference is BLINDING them.
 
You see this is how ignorance prevails. The search for truth should begin without presuppositions, without an axe to grind. It is simply a fact finding mission and a willingness to let the cards fall as they will. But if the goal of a mission is simply prove another wrong, it becomes a witch hunt wherein the seeker will be blinded by their hatred driven by their insecurity. It matters not that this is golf, it's a microcosm of the culture wars so prevalent in society at large. Hell hath no fury like an ego maniac proven wrong in public. They are dangerous creatures.
 

lia41985

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The basis for all their blabber, the spinal engine theory, is sadly misunderstood by them. The disingenuousness and/or ignorance is insulting.
You know what's interesting is how the torso keeps accelerating after the lead arm has begun decelerating...
That was from 3 am, yesterday. We don't cherish any theories here. That's the thing. We change when the facts and arguments prevail in a different direction. It's a humble mission called learning.
 
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natep

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I just realized that I have an active EBSCOHost account because of some classes I am taking. Tons of great academic journals, I just found a brand new electromyography study on the golf swing (Dec 2012), with measurements on the timing and force of relevant muscle contractions on the downswing. Will update if I find something amazing.
 
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