What Kind of Release is this? & Can an effective swing include no deceleration?

[lia41985]

Mike,
How dare you ask questions to people who'd know? What's that about? You're so stupid. Like, the dumbest person in golf. No, the dumbest person in the world!

 

[natep]

My intuitive guess for the torso speed increasing after impact would be that when the right arm straightens and the club gets fully released, it quickly jerks the body around after it had slowed down some prior to impact.

 

[mgranato]

wulsy,
I'm trying to send you a private message but your inbox is full. Would you mind clearing some space? I'd appreciate it.


So what you're saying is that I shouldn't think that's I'm a Ferrari, that I'm actually more of an Accord or Civic, and that when I'm approaching a turn, I shouldn't floor it? You're saying elite drivers don't just floor it? No wonder I pay so much for insurance.

Speaking of driving analogies, this thread was from earlier in the year but provided an awesome analogy that definitely set off a light bulb in my head: http://www.brianmanzella.com/golfing-discussions/17273-motorcycle-countersteering.html

If I've learned one thing from the Stig it's "Slow into the turn. Fast out of the turn." The opposite of this...

 

[lia41985]

What's funny is that the lunatic is making graphs with the x axis being...frame. Yes, he's doing his best to discredit science. Years of graphing time along the x axis falls to the wayside so that this bozo can eek out 15 more minutes of insanity.

 

[willimatic]

The last guy I posted up was a major championship winner....so is this guy...

Looks like Keegan to me.

 

[spktho]

The hits just keep on coming.....

Tigerish?

Wulsy, I'm with you on understanding the hips needing to slow down a while ago; they have to in order to get the torso turning faster. It's either turn the pelvis and use that motion to pull on to get the torso turning faster or hold the pelvis stationary and turn the torso around that. Which do you think will generate more turning speed of the torso?

And when you pull on the turning pelvis with the torso, what happens to the pelvis turning speed?

 

[hp12c]

What's funny is that the lunatic is making graphs with the x axis being...frame. Yes, he's doing his best to discredit science. Years of graphing time along the x axis falls to the wayside so that this bozo can eek out 15 more minutes of insanity.

Where is this lunatic at? I wanna see this wreck too.

 

[wulsy]

I think the player in question is the Bubbchen flipped. (as someone suggested earlier).

 

[GeoffDickson]

Sport Science: Rory McIlroy - YouTube

But if Rory's hips are at one stage - even if for an instant - 'in reverse', then surely his hip speed must at one point - even if for an instant- be zero.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQ3iuhfJaEI

Notwithstanding the limits of 'observation' versus 'measurement', I am convinced that Rory's hips move freely on the downswing, (appear to) pause and then accelerate. The belt buckle is the object of my attention. Are my eyes deceiving me?

Do the hips pause/stop, or are they just moving at a much slower rate than earlier in the swing?

What role does the impact (i.e. transfer of energy to the ball) play in terms of slowing down the hip turn?

 

[wulsy]

It's either turn the pelvis and use that motion to pull on to get the torso turning faster or hold the pelvis stationary and turn the torso around that. Which do you think will generate more turning speed of the torso?

The latter.

And when you pull on the turning pelvis with the torso, what happens to the pelvis turning speed?

It slows.

 

[Kevin Shields]

I think the player in question is the Bubbchen flipped. (as someone suggested earlier).

It is not

 

[wulsy]

OK, wrong again. Vijay?

 

[Kevin Shields]

OK, wrong again. Vijay?

Nope

 

[wulsy]

One thing's for sure, it's not CS.
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[spktho]

It's either turn the pelvis and use that motion to pull on to get the torso turning faster or hold the pelvis stationary and turn the torso around that. Which do you think will generate more turning speed of the torso?

The latter.

Maybe in a shorter range of motion--like on a pitch, chip or putt. But, with all the turning athletic motions in mind, I'll take the first choice.

 

[wulsy]

Thye couldn't have fitted the sensors onto him.

 

[lia41985]

There's what you want the ball to do, what the club needs to do to effectuate that, and then what the body (especially the spine) needs to do to bring that about. It's the golf pyramid of learning.

 

[wulsy]

Maybe in a shorter range of motion--like on a pitch, chip or putt. But, with all the turning athletic motions in mind, I'll take the first choice.

Kind of depends on what you mean by "turning the pelvis to pull the torso". Of course the pelvis has to move, but the idea of trying to pull the shoulders round to impact with the hips is nonsense. IMO.

 

[BrendanC]

OK I woulda said Luke Donald cos of the last frame but he doesn't HAVE ANY MAJORS.

So I'll try Martin Kaymer.

And if it's not him, how about Zach Johnson.

This sure is FUN!!!

 

[OLIVER1]

Is the avatar Johnny Miller?