Blog: '09 Masters Shows Swing Evolution - by Brian Manzella
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Jim Kobylinski
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Phil is slower than Tiger but Phil is more optimized than Tiger thus Phil keeps up with Tiger.
James Marshall (Hogan1953)
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By "dynamic pivot", Brian do you mean an early small shift away from the target in the backswing before moving targetwards during the second half of the backswing?
Brian Manzella
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As I have been saying for years now, a DYNAMIC PIVOT is one that best generates power.
If you wanted to backhand something, if you wanted to wallop something, you'd get off of the left foot, and now matter what kind of torso lean you had—J. Miller did all of this from a big left lean—you'd make a move left and down, come out of the ground, and snap your kinetic chain.
Brian Manzella
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Maybe Tiger should take a leaf out of Trevino's book and not have a coach based on the fact that he (Trevino) had never met a coach who could beat him. Of course, in Tiger's case this would leave the door wide open for you, Mr. Manzella.
I have no problem with Tiger going to a Trevino, or a Ray Floyd, or a Jackie Burke and just de-mechanics himself.
I can't carry the guy's lunch pail as far as golf playing goes though. But then, who could? Hogan, Snead, Nicklaus?
I would have a teach-off against him on national TV for a cool million though.
The point is NOT for me to teach Tiger, this is all about Tiger playing his best and breaking all the records he would if he didn't have to fight his swing so much.
Tiger does make a very dynamic pivot, though.
At Doral Phil was posting slightly higher driver swing speeds than Tiger - but this cant be relied upon. What i am interested in is how Phil seems to have picked up swing speed of late? Is this purely down to equipment?
vjsinger
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I have no problem with Tiger going to a Trevino, or a Ray Floyd, or a Jackie Burke and just de-mechanics himself.
I can't carry the guy's lunch pail as far as golf playing goes though. But then, who could? Hogan, Snead, Nicklaus?
I would have a teach-off against him on national TV for a cool million though.
The point is NOT for me to teach Tiger, this is all about Tiger playing his best and breaking all the records he would if he didn't have to fight his swing so much.
Tiger does make a very dynamic pivot, though.
I don't get why people mention his squat/ lowering move like it is a negative move. Tiger has been doing the squat a long time..it is a MAJOR source of POW!! He just needs someone to show him where to put the club, not what to do with his body. Is that right?
Matt Bryda
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A Ton of Talent
A guy with as much talent HAS to know that what he is trying to do just isn't working and it's time to break away from his present coach. Brian, maybe Tiger needs some free advice from you just like you give all of us every day!
A guy with as much talent HAS to know that what he is trying to do just isn't working and it's time to break away from his present coach. Brian, maybe Tiger needs some free advice from you just like you give all of us every day!
Jim, in a recent tournament (Doral?), they were showing the players launch angles, spin rates, etc. and that made your point clear. Tiger is clearly going for a higher spin rate, is hitting more downward on driver than for ideal launch and uses less than optimal launch angle. And no doubt he understands all that very well.
You think Tiger just thinks "optimized" doesn't give him enough spin to control ball flight much as he likes or that the things he would have to do to optimize just don't work well with what he wants to do with his swing?
ggsjpc
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I think in almost all cases, "optimized" only relates to total distance. Many high swing speed players don't hit up on the ball because they generate enough speed to carry it a good distance while maintaining a lower ball flight.
More so than any of the drama concerning Tiger's swing, what really confuses me is Tiger's inability to correct himself. Why is he so dependent on Hank Haney? Does Tiger ever go out on the range by himself and work things out?
I know that a second set of eyes is a tremendous asset for someone who's intent on improving his golf swing, but I think at this point Tiger would do well to spend some time on the range by himself, making adjustments according to how he feels and what the ball is doing.
Tiger once said that he wants to own his swing, and he pointed to Ben Hogan and Moe Norman as two guys who really owned their swings. Well, if you want to own it like Ben or Moe, why not practice like them? Generate your own ideas, develop your own feels.
I think a large part of the reason for why he's fighting his swing so much is that it's not a natural move for him in the sense that the swing's genesis is almost completely external. Haney seems to be working from some conceptual model, instead of working from the move that Tiger brought to be fixed.
In my opinion, Tiger needs to leave Haney and try making his own swing. Though the term "home-grown" usually refers to something that's somewhat undesirable, I think Tiger should try to home-grow his swing a little bit. He needs a swing that's his. He doesn't need to be the poster boy for whatever busted swing theory Haney's pitching.
I know that a second set of eyes is a tremendous asset for someone who's intent on improving his golf swing, but I think at this point Tiger would do well to spend some time on the range by himself, making adjustments according to how he feels and what the ball is doing.
Tiger once said that he wants to own his swing, and he pointed to Ben Hogan and Moe Norman as two guys who really owned their swings. Well, if you want to own it like Ben or Moe, why not practice like them? Generate your own ideas, develop your own feels.
I think a large part of the reason for why he's fighting his swing so much is that it's not a natural move for him in the sense that the swing's genesis is almost completely external. Haney seems to be working from some conceptual model, instead of working from the move that Tiger brought to be fixed.
In my opinion, Tiger needs to leave Haney and try making his own swing. Though the term "home-grown" usually refers to something that's somewhat undesirable, I think Tiger should try to home-grow his swing a little bit. He needs a swing that's his. He doesn't need to be the poster boy for whatever busted swing theory Haney's pitching.
Bronco Billy
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Maybe Tiger Isn't Really His Own Man as Most Perceive.....
Very Nice Observation... Nice To Me Because I Always Felt There was Something Strange About Tiger that I Felt Existed but Couldn't Really Define....I Think Your little Essay Nailed It.... He is Driven by Magical Idols, Ideals, and Fate as Opposed to Hard Core Intellect and Reason..... The Hogan, Norman, Haney Phenom Explains the Change to the Flat Swing.... As a Pure Fatalist Tiger is Doomed to His Own PreOrdained Destiny and will Never Change or Deviate from the Master Plan..... With the Flat Plane Swing Tiger is a Wounded Spaceship which Will Eventually Burn Up in the Atmosphere without Ever Accomplishing its Mission.... Have a Great Day....
Very Nice Observation... Nice To Me Because I Always Felt There was Something Strange About Tiger that I Felt Existed but Couldn't Really Define....I Think Your little Essay Nailed It.... He is Driven by Magical Idols, Ideals, and Fate as Opposed to Hard Core Intellect and Reason..... The Hogan, Norman, Haney Phenom Explains the Change to the Flat Swing.... As a Pure Fatalist Tiger is Doomed to His Own PreOrdained Destiny and will Never Change or Deviate from the Master Plan..... With the Flat Plane Swing Tiger is a Wounded Spaceship which Will Eventually Burn Up in the Atmosphere without Ever Accomplishing its Mission.... Have a Great Day....
tourdeep
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Houston, we have a problem...
...with spaced out billy boy snacking in mommy's medicine cabinet,,,again...
agreed. Work within the plan, make it happen and if there are positive results, don't break it...
flat, loopy, and with whom or no one at all,,,whatever...it's not how, it's how many....
help me with total majors for the Tiger? And then tell me the aggregate major wins for the rest of the pack that competed in the Masters over the weekend...
...with spaced out billy boy snacking in mommy's medicine cabinet,,,again...
agreed. Work within the plan, make it happen and if there are positive results, don't break it...
flat, loopy, and with whom or no one at all,,,whatever...it's not how, it's how many....
help me with total majors for the Tiger? And then tell me the aggregate major wins for the rest of the pack that competed in the Masters over the weekend...
golfbulldog
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Some can...
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