That was exactly my suspicion!!!
Blog: '09 Masters Shows Swing Evolution - by Brian Manzella
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That was exactly my suspicion!!!
from Dictionary.com
Dynamic Pivot : see Jamie Sadlowski
or see thread entitled "any comments on this swing"
Jared Willerson
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Danny Lee and Rory McIllroy have some pretty dynamic pivots as well...
Maybe it's time for Woods to move the player/teacher relationship Nicklaus used during his career.
Nicklaus went to Jack Grout at the beginning of each season to work on setup, posture, alignment, grip, etc. I believe they also worked together a few times over the years when there was a specific problem to be resolved.
It's safe to say Woods knows how to swing the club and play the game. It's time to pick a swing (I like the '97 model) and stick with it. Watch the '97 highlights on the Masters site if you need to remember what that was like.
Also, John Anselmo should be his "go to" guy.
Nicklaus went to Jack Grout at the beginning of each season to work on setup, posture, alignment, grip, etc. I believe they also worked together a few times over the years when there was a specific problem to be resolved.
It's safe to say Woods knows how to swing the club and play the game. It's time to pick a swing (I like the '97 model) and stick with it. Watch the '97 highlights on the Masters site if you need to remember what that was like.
Also, John Anselmo should be his "go to" guy.
I too noticed that Phil was blowing it by Tiger. 15 on Sunday he was 30-40 yds in front of him. Also noticed Tiger didn't seem to have any confidence in the driver, choosing 3-wood when everyone else was swinging the big stick.
While I agree that Tigers swing appears less than dynamic, I think we have to give Phil credit for getting his butt in the gym. He's much more fit now and in a lot better shape and I'm guessing he's a lot stronger than he use to be.
Tiger is a great athlete, but he has flat out outworked most guys when it comes to personal fitness. Phil is a big dude naturally and with a good workout program, he's probably picking up some clubhead speed.
While I agree that Tigers swing appears less than dynamic, I think we have to give Phil credit for getting his butt in the gym. He's much more fit now and in a lot better shape and I'm guessing he's a lot stronger than he use to be.
Tiger is a great athlete, but he has flat out outworked most guys when it comes to personal fitness. Phil is a big dude naturally and with a good workout program, he's probably picking up some clubhead speed.
Jim Kobylinski
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doubtful imo; at their level it is extremely difficult for them to "find" clubhead speed unless they are playing longer shafts.
vjsinger
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I thought this too..how much speed can you really gain just by losing some weight and "getting stronger"? IMO gaining speed isn't about lifting a weight and losing some of that spare tire. The best athletes in the world train to get fast by training the right way to gain speed...and it has very little to do with doing a bicep curl or a situp. I also believe that it takes a pretty significant period of time to really notice some speed gains and that could only be minimal. At least that is what Ive learned over the last few months in talking with some people that train for speed all of the time.
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Zztop
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speed is useless without control! you need both, so just trying to get faster clubhead speed is only part of the equation.
Bronco Billy
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The Easiest Way to Gain ClubHead Speed.....
Is To Swing the GolfClub Along the Path of Least Resistance.... That is the Most Efficient Path Possible..... Have a Great Day With Your New Found Knowledge....
Is To Swing the GolfClub Along the Path of Least Resistance.... That is the Most Efficient Path Possible..... Have a Great Day With Your New Found Knowledge....
aaron_lohan
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I get the impression that Tiger has just over exagerated Haney's swing instruction, similar to how he overexagerated what Butch told him
tongzilla
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I think Tiger only exaggerated the Butch stuff in the mid 1990s.
Well, i will have to respectfully disagree. Barry Bonds starting hitting more home runs, because he got stronger while maintaining his flexability. That resulted in more bat speed, which in turn resulted in more balls going over the fence.
If a guy gets stronger, but maintains flexability his clubhead speed should increase. I'm not just talking about show muscles. I'm talking about a proper routine that includes a lot of core work and works both slow and fast twitch muscles.
Stronger legs, glutes, hamstrings, abs, etc. etc. Add it all up and you'll swing the club with more force and more speed.
If a guy gets stronger, but maintains flexability his clubhead speed should increase. I'm not just talking about show muscles. I'm talking about a proper routine that includes a lot of core work and works both slow and fast twitch muscles.
Stronger legs, glutes, hamstrings, abs, etc. etc. Add it all up and you'll swing the club with more force and more speed.
That may be true, but I think that everyone has a ceiling in terms of how fast they can swing. At Phil and Tiger's level, they already hit the ball so far that I doubt they'd be able to tack on any significant yardage.
When I'm lifting a lot and playing frequently (these two things rarely coincide), I feel more stable throughout the swing. For example, I've been squatting for two months and I feel rock-solid over the ball.
The point I'm trying to make is that weight lifting can definitely help the golfer hit the ball farther, but in my experience the lifting has been only indirectly beneficial for increasing distance. By feeling more solid over the ball I make better contact more frequently, so I guess I'm hitting it farther.
That said, I'm not sure if any of the guys on tour are training in a way that will actually give them more speed. All I hear about are workouts with high reps and low weight. Pressing 20-pound dumbbells on a swiss ball is not going to give you power. You get stronger by applying large amounts of force to large amounts of weight.
lia41985
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Indeed. You need a mix of the following: low rep, high weight with traditional "slow" lifts such as squats and deadlifts; olympic lifts; dynamic effort method (low weight, higher rep, but at very high lifting speeds); cardio (better termed "energy systems work") should me made up of short sprints, not long duration runs (ahem, Tiger, what the hell are you doing?).
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I completely agree with Lia. A lot of periodization in the workout programs to efficiently improve slow twitch and fast twitch strength.
I think a good example of this is Jason Zuback. He's about 5'9, but is an absolutely fireplug a great combination of speed and strength.
I'm not saying Phil is 50 yds longer because he's in shape, but better conditioning should improve his overall strength and stamina. Which should assist him with speed and stability.
I think a good example of this is Jason Zuback. He's about 5'9, but is an absolutely fireplug a great combination of speed and strength.
I'm not saying Phil is 50 yds longer because he's in shape, but better conditioning should improve his overall strength and stamina. Which should assist him with speed and stability.
Jim Kobylinski
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And Jamie Sadowski is a twig; he's probably strong but he's not a brute.
lia41985
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Sadlowski's training program:
Some words from Jason Zuback:
Via: http://www.pinnaclegolfblog.com/2008/07/21/catching-up-with-jamie-sadlowski
Some words from Jason Zuback:
Via: http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0801/is_5_69/ai_n25358360/
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vjsinger
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Understood..We're on the same page.
Its not worth going into, some people just don't want to hear it, plus this is a BLOG on the Masters, which btw was a great blog and a great tournament. peace.
Is To Swing the GolfClub Along the Path of Least Resistance.... That is the Most Efficient Path Possible..... Have a Great Day With Your New Found Knowledge....
Its not worth going into, some people just don't want to hear it, plus this is a BLOG on the Masters, which btw was a great blog and a great tournament. peace.
Bronco Billy
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It's Not a Blog about the Masters... Read the Posts....
It's a Blog About Weight Lifting..... Mucho Strength Does NOT Increase Club Head Speed.... Swinging a Golf Club along the Path of Least Resistance DOES Increase ClubHead Speed.... Ask Mandrin..... Have a Great Day With Your New Found Knowledge....
Its not worth going into, some people just don't want to hear it, plus this is a BLOG on the Masters, which btw was a great blog and a great tournament. peace.
It's a Blog About Weight Lifting..... Mucho Strength Does NOT Increase Club Head Speed.... Swinging a Golf Club along the Path of Least Resistance DOES Increase ClubHead Speed.... Ask Mandrin..... Have a Great Day With Your New Found Knowledge....
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