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Originally posted by EdZ
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Originally posted by holenone
quote:Originally posted by EdZ
Lynn - I have no disagreement that things must 'catch up' to an inline condition. The ONLY place I disagree with TGM in regard to lag is WHEN that in line condition is achieved. I see that it is achieved LATER than Homer did, thus ensuring lag.
Read my post re: rope swinging and a longer rope. I don't think Homer was 'wrong' to view the rope as verticle at impact, I think he didn't account for the 'longer section of rope' that would be 'under the ground', it would still not be straight, and would straighten at both arms straight, perpendicular to the shoulder line, well after impact.
Let's stick to this one, and use the rope as our reference.
Ed,
Your post above makes clear that, unfortunately -- and I mean this sincerely -- you simply do not understand
The Golfing Machine.
I understand you feel that way Lynn. I am, sincerely, trying to convey something that explains areas of TGM that have been in conflict to date - swinging AND hitting, right arm swinging to name a couple.
I sincerely believe you do not yet understand what I am saying to you. Case in point:
(holenone)
Your 'winding and unwinding string' image demands a Rotated Shoulder Turn (in both directions); Zero Axis Tilt; and hence, Zero Weight Shift. This means Low Power.
So, however else you choose to think of it, what you have described in your image (as a substitute for Mechanics to produce a correct Feel) is a Rotated Shoulder Turn (10-16-C) with a Shiftless Hip Turn (10-14-C) and a Circle Path Delivery (10-23-E).
(/holenone
First, axis tilt - absolutely important. In fact, the MORE axis tilt, the more margin for error. The more right wrist bend, the more axis tilt. The more right elbow bend at impact, the more axis tilt.
In essence, the more you have your hands ahead at impact, the more you will have axis tilt, right wrist bend and bend in the right arm.
Do you agree or disagree that the more forward ball position REQUIRES more axis tilt, right wrist bend, and more bend in the right arm?
Do you agree or disagree that the more 'centered' the ball position, the less axis tilt, less right wrist bend, and striaghter the right arm would be?
Agreed?
Weight shift - what I am saying is that you turn your shoulders AROUND that spot
on your back. If you do that, you will most certainly have some shift back and through. I agree with Brian's view on this, his pictures are a good reference point. You can turn 'around' that spot, shift your upper body around it, and keep it still during the motion.
I am NOT talking about a circle delivery path. The 'largest circle' is that defined by both arms straight. You simply can't make a larger circle because you can't have BOTH hands on the club, fully extended, and NOT have them centered on your chest.
You are swinging INSIDE this largest circle. You are positioning this circle so that you will ALWAYS impact the ball/ground well before you reach full extension. Because you have right wrist bend, you 'shorten' the clubHEAD travel, so that at impact it is not fully extended.
You are creating a WHIP LIKE motion, INSIDE this largest circle.
If you had a clock and 6 o'clock were the ground and noon were your head. position the clock so that 6 o'clock is UNDER the ground, in front of the ball. The ball/impact would be at about 4:30. Your 'center' is position such that this would always be the case.
You have right wrist bend, so you would continue through, take a divot, and move to both arms straight at about 8 o'clock.
Thus the appearence would be that you have an elipse. The appearence would be that your left arm is verticle at impact, and that that was full extension - but the reality is that if you fully released your right arm and right wrist, low point would be well under the ground.
I really would like to help get this across to you, because I think you will appreciate it. I mean no disrespect to you, to Brian, or to Homer.
