Michelle Wie and Randy Moss

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Well maybe not Randy, but moss problems, or is it more problems. So what's wrong with this drop aside from dropping in the wrong area or whatever she did at the Samsung tournament...

Michelle makes the big bucks. She is young. She wants to dominate the golf world. But, my fair lady, you must know the rules! And fire your caddy just because you have a Randy Moss moment? Is the heat getting to you and just walk off the field? Maybe more in common with Randy than I thought...




Apparently Johnston told her not to touch the moss.

http://sport.guardian.co.uk/golf/story/0,,1838234,00.html

It's top shelf for fine Sherri

Dai Davies at Royal Lytham & St Annes
Sunday August 6, 2006

Observer

Sherri Steinhauer, the leader of the Women's British Open, will spend much of today's final round pretending that she is not, in fact, in contention for the title.

Steinhauer's six-under par 66 gave her a seven-under-par total of 209 and a lead of three over Sophie Gustafson , Lorena Ochoa, Juli Inkster and Karen Stupples, all tied for second on four under.

Steinhauer, who won this event in 1998 and 1999 when it was not regarded as a major championship, confessed that she would be nervous. 'I hope I can keep myself under control,' she said. 'I'll keep talking to myself, telling myself I'm not in the position I'm in. Hopefully, it'll work.'

Michelle Wie, dressed all in black as if mourning a week of missed opportunities, failed to take advantage of a still start to the day when scoring conditions were ideal.

But Wie, with birdies at the 4th and 16th holes, also three-putted the 5th and 11th for a level-par round of 72, making no sort of move at a time when others such as Ochoa, Cristie Kerr and Natalie Gulbis were getting round in 65, 66 and 67 respectively and moving into contention.

Wie has merely been contentious. Her ignorance of the rule regarding bunker play, as displayed on Friday, was astounding, leading, as it did, to a two-stroke penalty. Wie's club swept back a piece of moss lying directly behind her ball, so disturbing the sand, and the 16-year-old said afterwards that she thought she was entitled to do that. But it emerged yesterday that caddie Greg Johnston had told Wie that she could not remove the moss by picking it up, so why she thought she could remove it by sweeping it away with her club in the course of playing a shot is mystifying. Furthermore, in all of her practice swings she was extremely careful not to disturb the moss, giving the impression she knew she should not.

Perhaps the most amazing thing of all is her ignorance of the whole subject. One denizen of the press tent revealed yesterday that he has a daughter currently sailing through the various courses, Bronze, Silver, Gold, etc, presented by the Young Masters Golf organisation. She passed her Bronze level aged eight, learning, among other things, that thou shalt not ground thine club in a bunker.

It is such an elementary rule that it could be argued that Wie, whose fee for appearing in tournaments outside America can be as much as the US$1.5million paid by the Casio World Open in Japan, has no right not to know it. Imagine the sense of grievance if a sponsor, having coughed up millions of dollars for the Wie entourage (Ma, Pa, caddie, coach and player) to play in their event, saw her miss the cut, or get disqualified, because she did not know a basic rule of golf.

On Friday night, when Wie was told of her infraction, she threw a teenager's tantrum which, amusingly enough, cannot be officially punished because she is not a member of any tour. She recovered quickly enough to say, when asked if she would go and read the rules, that they were not 'great reading material', which got a laugh but missed the point.

She is still at school, still of an age where unappealing subjects have to be studied and the incentive in this instance is both financial - penalty shots cost money - and the maintenance of a good reputation.

Her next appearance on this side of the Atlantic will be in the European Masters, at Crans-sur-Sierre, a European men's tour event. The debate as to whether she should continue to play in these tournaments gets ever fiercer as she continues not to win women's events.

At the John Deere Classic, Daniel Chopra, a contestant, said: 'She has the opportunity to become the greatest woman player history has ever known and she's wasting it by not playing the LPGA tour.'

But B.J., Michelle's father, summed it up when he said that the critics simply did not 'fully understand the capitalistic market mechanism'. What cannot be said is that B.J. himself does not understand it.

Since his daughter turned professional on 11 October 2005, one informed estimate of her total income is $18 million. Sony and Nike have both contributed $5 million each; sufficient, surely, for a few dreary hours in front of the rulebook.
 
What's wrong with the drop besides it is in the wrong area??? Her arm should be at shoulder height when she makes the drop, not where she has it in the picture.
 

rundmc

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People need to lay off. She's a freakin' little girl. Anybody that has success is a HATER MAGNET. 1-800-GETALIFE
 
I think that article misses the point on why she thought it was ok.

She knew the moss could not be disturbed before the stroke, however she thought there was no issue hitting it once the stroke had started, after all you can hit it on the downstroke with no penalty. I actually understood the rule the same way, although I now know better.

Everyone needs to get off her case...and the LPGA need to let her play more events.
 
I'll have to be in the minority and side with Tourdeep. If you want to be a professional, those are your peers. If you want to spend all your time at the mall, then those are your peers. You need to bring your level of behavior up to your peers. I don't think Michelle is horrible because she does not know the rules, I just think it's irresponsible. Doesn't make a heck of a lot of difference to me though truth be told. And besides, I can count 3 separate times today in which I was irresponsible. My peers held me accountable ;o)!

Matt
 

rundmc

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mrodock said:
I'll have to be in the minority and side with Tourdeep. If you want to be a professional, those are your peers. If you want to spend all your time at the mall, then those are your peers. You need to bring your level of behavior up to your peers. I don't think Michelle is horrible because she does not know the rules, I just think it's irresponsible. Doesn't make a heck of a lot of difference to me though truth be told. And besides, I can count 3 separate times today in which I was irresponsible. My peers held me accountable ;o)!

Matt

What time do your mistakes show up on SportsCenter? It's still a game dawg . . . Irresponsible is leaving your kids in the car and letting them die . . . or sending them to Neverland for a slumberparty.
 
rundmc said:
What time do your mistakes show up on SportsCenter? It's still a game dawg . . . Irresponsible is leaving your kids in the car and letting them die . . . or sending them to Neverland for a slumberparty.

I am a student and make about 17K a year now, for a pay raise of 15 million bucks they can show my mug on sportscenter!

Wow man, now THOSE are some examples of being irresponsible.

I see your point though, she doesn't know the rules, how is that going to affect our society!? Over exposure from avenues such as Sportscenter is why the athletes make so much more than they used to, however, it can also be a big pain in the butt. Whether it's worth it or not, it comes with the territory. People care enough to pay to watch her play and are interested if she has a rules infraction. No one wanted to see my round last night and if anything they were encouraging me to break the rules. Also, I had to pay for it.

Matt
 
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At the John Deere Classic, Daniel Chopra, a contestant, said: 'She has the opportunity to become the greatest woman player history has ever known and she's wasting it by not playing the LPGA tour.'

But B.J., Michelle's father, summed it up when he said that the critics simply did not 'fully understand the capitalistic market mechanism'. What cannot be said is that B.J. himself does not understand it.
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Wie and her father are laughing all the way to the bank. She will earn 100 times the money marketing herself (playing PGA events) than she will earn playing golf. The tournament sponsors, television networks, marketing execs are behind it all. She brings a whole generation of young woman to the game. Look how many young boys are playing golf due to Tiger.
 

rundmc

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The thing that gets me is everyone (not you MRODOC we're cool) wants to focus on her as making mistakes . . .

She should play on the LPGA . . . She should have stayed in school . . . She's taking spots from people on the PGA tour and shouldn't play . . . She should have been the one to fire her caddie . . . She makes too much money . . .

People should try to learn from her . . . HOW DID SHE GET THAT GOOD AND HOW COULD YOU DO IT HALF AS GOOD? That's the question . . . who cares about the drama . . . if you want drama get the soap opra network . . . this is freaking GOLF. Or start a thread about the Tripod :).

This chick has a GIFT . . . that's what we should be talking about . . . she is AMAZING . . . for even having a big enough "set" to want to play on the PGA Tour at her age is AWESOME. At her age I just wanted a jar of colecream and not to even talk to adults (not much has changed).

People should lighten up and enjoy seeing God given talent.
 
wie wie monsieurs/messieurs

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and the point is carried...:)

for all the above arguments on why we love to see Wie play. We love her for her god given talent.

I've said that she will break on out to the other side in a very big way...

she must be socially responsible to her peers, to sponsors, the game, even mommy and daddy

she is laughng all the way to the bank...

the scorecard does not discriminate based on age..

to be ranked as high as she was/is with the new scoring system probably put Morgan and Paula into a state of tizzy...

having a moss moment...

she needs a win on the lpga for validation, but then more...

we love the dramatics that's now been dashed with massive commercialism...

yes, the water cooler loves her..

the dudes dig the long ball too...

and she is a corporate sponsors' dream.
 

rundmc

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tourdeep said:
wie_pressel.jpg


and the point is carried...:)

for all the above arguments on why we love to see Wie play. We love her for her god given talent.

I've said that she will break on out to the other side in a very big way...

she must be socially responsible to her peers, to sponsors, the game, even mommy and daddy

she is laughng all the way to the bank...

the scorecard does not discriminate based on age..

to be ranked as high as she was/is with the new scoring system probably put Morgan and Paula into a state of tizzy...

having a moss moment...

she needs a win on the lpga for validation, but then more...

we love the dramatics that's now been dashed with massive commercialism...

yes, the water cooler loves her..

the dudes dig the long ball too...

and she is a corporate sponsors' dream.

I love Pressel . . . People pooh poohed her too. Say she's a beotch, spoiled, runs her mouth yada yada yada. These chicks are just bairly old enough to drive. I would've hated to see what I would say on TV at that age . . . there would have never been a Beavis and Butthead.

I bet Wie's first LPGA win will be a major. What is her major record this year or in the past 2? She's had a bunch of top 5's. The LPGA has some very good personalities. I used to hate watching the chicks . . . . but now they rock.
 
A rule is a rule. Don't care about age. You play with the big dogs, you play how the big dogs play. No special treatment.
 

rundmc

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curtisj76 said:
A rule is a rule. Don't care about age. You play with the big dogs, you play how the big dogs play. No special treatment.

Totally agree . . . I'm just saying she screwed up. We all do. Pay the price and move forward. But since she is who she is she gets the lit up in the media.

If Marcy Hart or Wendy Ward did it we would have never heard anything. That is also "special treatment."

The media builds 'em up and then they tear 'em down. They love success and talent but at the same time they hate it too.
 
rundmc said:
The thing that gets me is everyone (not you MRODOC we're cool) wants to focus on her as making mistakes . . .

She should play on the LPGA . . . She should have stayed in school . . . She's taking spots from people on the PGA tour and shouldn't play . . . She should have been the one to fire her caddie . . . She makes too much money . . .

People should try to learn from her . . . HOW DID SHE GET THAT GOOD AND HOW COULD YOU DO IT HALF AS GOOD? That's the question . . . who cares about the drama . . . if you want drama get the soap opra network . . . this is freaking GOLF. Or start a thread about the Tripod :).

This chick has a GIFT . . . that's what we should be talking about . . . she is AMAZING . . . for even having a big enough "set" to want to play on the PGA Tour at her age is AWESOME. At her age I just wanted a jar of colecream and not to even talk to adults (not much has changed).

People should lighten up and enjoy seeing God given talent.

Great post, hit it on the money
 
welcome to the big show where everyone doesn't love you. I think that both Wie and Pressel are very wimpy... Take a look at the female professional tennis circuit where you have 14 yr old pros that know how to handle themselves and don't use their age as an excuse for unprofessional behavior. Morgan Pressel might be the only one among the the new lpga teenie bopper stars that hasnt had a bonehead moment YET.
 
Wie pushes envelope for Ryder Cup start
Simon McLoughlin
September 06, 2006



DESPITE failing to make the cut in eight of her nine attempts in men's tournaments, teen golfing prodigy Michelle Wie wants to eventually play Ryder Cup.

Wie makes her first appearance on the European Tour in this week's European Masters and will play alongside England's Nick Dougherty and Spain's Gonzalo Fernandez-Castano in the opening two rounds on the Crans-sur-Sierre course.

The Hawaiian has raised the ire of some elements in the golfing world, most notably former world No.1 Vijay Singh, for her continued presence in men's tournaments.

But her determination to break down the gender barrier remains as strong as ever.

"Hopefully, I will be able to play the Ryder Cup one day, that would be awesome and I think it is totally possible," Wie said.

"Anything is possible in the future ... we (women) are starting to get stronger and work out more and are mentally tough and we can do it."

Wie has struggled to make an impact on the men's game before finally making her breakthrough at the SK Telecom Open in Korea in May where she made her first cut.

"There are going to be some people that aren't happy with me playing in men's tournaments," said Wie, who is playing on a sponsor's invitation.

"I am not expecting 100 per cent support every week but that is the way the world works. There are going to be people that support me and others that don't but I feel people here have been very supportive and welcoming.

"I am not just doing it for the support I get, I am doing it for myself and my own self happiness. I love playing men's events and the challenge. I feel an adrenaline rush when I play these events and it is a lot of fun."

Wie tested her game on Tuesday when she joined European Ryder Cup player Sergio Garcia in a practice round.

"Playing with Sergio this morning was awesome. It is the first time playing with him and he is such a great player. I learnt a lot playing with him today."

But Garcia believed the Hawaiian high school student will struggle to make the halfway cut this week.

"Michelle is definitely an extraordinary player and hits the ball quite a long way for a woman," said Garcia. "Hopefully she will do well this week but if she had a higher ball flight it would be a bit easier for her.

"It is not an easy golf course and her short game will have to be sharp. She struggled today to hit some of the greens in two."

Some of the game's leading players, including Australia's Adam Scott and New Zealand's Michael Campbell, believe Wie should establish on the women's tour - where she has yet to win - before seeking to compete alongside the men.

Wie has accepted an invitation to the US PGA Tour's 84 Lumber Classic tournament next week and wants to play more against the men.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,20363336-2722,00.html
 
She has dreams and you only live once let her do what she wants! And I hope she proves all you people that put her down wrong because I like her alot and she is the same age as me and has big dreams like I do.
 
Should Wie continue to receive sponsor's exemptions?
ESPN.com/GolfDigest.com

For the third time this season -- and sixth time overall -- Michelle Wie will compete in a PGA Tour event this week. Like the other five occasions, she was handed a spot in the 84 Lumber Classic field by way of sponsor's exemption rather than a qualification process.

So, the question remains: Should PGA Tour tournament directors continue giving sponsors' exemptions to the 16-year-old? On the one hand, golf is big business and Wie draws fans and increases ticket sales. On the other, many players have become infuriated by the concept that she has simply been handed everything rather than earning it.

ESPN.com's Bob Harig and GolfDigest.com's Ron Sirak chime in with their opinions in this week's edition of Alternate Shot.

Should PGA Tour tournament directors continue giving sponsors' exemptions to Michelle Wie?

YES

Tournaments should continue giving Wie sponsor's exemptions as long as she continues to sell tickets.

It costs in the neighborhood of $7.5 million to $8 million a year to put on a PGA Tour event, and in exchange for paying that freight, sponsors are allowed to give -- on average -- six spots in the field to whomever they want. That seems only fair, and the tour players who complain are failing to acknowledge the source of the money they take home on Sunday when the tournament is over.

The players should also look at it this way: They aren't losing any money because Wie isn't making any cuts and picking up checks. The decision as to when Wie stops playing PGA Tour events will rest not with the sponsors but rather with the public and with Wie and her parents. When the public stops being intrigued by her efforts, they will stop showing up in record numbers and the sponsors' exemptions will dry up. And if Wie continues to miss cuts -- especially badly, as she did in Switzerland last week -- she and her family might decide that the development of her game will be better served by playing against the women.

In the meantime, give the public what it wants, and for now, it still wants Wie.

-- Ron Sirak
GolfDigest.com

NO

The sponsors must understand that the novelty has worn off, and inviting Wie might cause more harm than good. For all of her skills, she is starting to make a mockery of the process. Wie was ill-prepared to compete in Switzerland last weekend, finishing dead last after shooting 15 over par for two rounds .

Wie had just started school in Hawaii less than two weeks ago and had not competed in a tournament for more than a month. Then she flew halfway around the world to compete in a men's European Tour event, and was exposed. That the tournament was sponsored by Omega, one of a handful of companies paying her millions in endorsement money, suggests she was obligated to be there, paid handsomely to be there, or both.

This week at the 84 Lumber Classic in Pennsylvania, Wie can't accept appearance money, but she will nonetheless be there, trying for the 11th time to make the cut in a men's event. She has made it only once, earlier this year at a second-tier event in Korea. What was once a noble pursuit no longer has that feel. It is causing resentment among her peers, and little interest -- if not now, soon -- among the public. Wie, who has had an excellent season on the LPGA Tour, has yet to win, and needs to string together victories before taking on the men. For her own sake.

Unfortunately, she is not acknowledging this fact. She seems intent on testing herself against the men, no matter the results. So, for now, the sponsors should back off.

After all, if they don't offer the spots, Wie can't play unless she qualifies -- which, if she does, nobody will hold against her.

-- Bob Harig
ESPN.com

http://sports.espn.go.com/golf/news/story?id=2583119
 
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