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Jared Willerson

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The left shoulder is behind the ball. The contention is that the lower body is not enough in front of the ball at the end backswing position, making it harder work to drive the right shoulder down the plane.

The horizontal turn of the shoulders would allow him to more easily create and sustain lag.

He has a great swing and all of the points made here are nitpicking at most.
 
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JeffM

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glcoach

What do you mean by stating that "the lower body is not enough in front of the ball at the end backswing position"? What is the threshold for enough, and what are you actually looking at?

Jeff.
 

Jared Willerson

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Look at the photo of Faldo. His tailbone is closer to the ball than Stewart's. This allows Faldo to more easily transition to the downswing.

Stewart will have to do this on the downswing, working harder on the downswing than he really has to. By getting the tailbone closer to the ball on the backswing it would reduce the amount of timing and work needed to be done to create an efficient downswing.

Like I said before, it is nitpicking, but I believe, it would simplify what he is trying to do.
 
Have you tried anything set-up related, Stewart? It looks like your ball position is fairly far forward. If you're normally a drawer of the ball, and you're now hitting higher fading shots with the occasional fat shot, maybe your ball position has crept farther forward than normal.
 
Stew, I would not get to worried about that action, You have an iron in your hand of course things are going to stay more centered. I see minor stuff, the club is a little too straight back , with your natural motion this leads to a little laid off and what looks like a slightly open club face. The club going just slightly more inside and up and for you the felling like your crossing the line at the top. I do see alot more muscle , . I think getting the club just a few inches more inside, feel like your crossing the line that should get you down the line. Don't pick apart stuff that is not broken. The swing looks great, minor and I mean minor adjustments and tremendous practice are what it's going to take. take care TIM
 

JeffM

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glcoach

I have never heard this theory about the relationship between i) the distance between the tailbone and the ball at the end-backswing position and the ii) efficacy of the transition move. I would only consider that theory seriously if I could appreciate a rational explanation for any causal relationship.

Stewart

There are afew things about your backswing that are not optimum, but I cannot claim that they are necessarily responsible for your high floating/fade problem. First of all, in the early takeaway (second down-the-line photo) you seem to be upcocking your wrist during the early takeaway instead of having neutral wrists/hands. That causes your clubshaft to be too high at the end-takeaway position (third down-the-line photo) - your clubshaft should be parallel to the ground when your clubshaft is in line with your toes and parallel to the ball-target line.

I wonder if the steep takeaway causes your clubshaft to be slightly laid off at the end-backswing position +/- a slightly open clubface. I also note that your right upper arm hugs your torso too closely during the backswing suggesting a too-narrow backswing, which is probably related to your tendency to have a steep upcocking takeaway. That end-backswing position could predispose some golfers to an incomplete release through the ball, although you seem to have an excellent transition move that drops your right elbow rapidly to your right side and your clubshaft cuts across the lower part of your right upper arm in the downswing when your hands get down to waist position (which is a perfect downswing position).

Perhaps you could experiment with a wider, and more neutral takeaway, that allows your right arm to move slightly away from the chest wall during the backswing. That may allow your clubshaft to get parallel to the ball-target line at the end-backswing position. It would be interesting to know whether a different takeaway and different backswing position affects your downswing in such a way that you get a better ball flight pattern.

Jeff.
 
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Jim Kobylinski

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Stewart to be quite honest, at your level you really don't want to tinker too much.

Just a little bit here and there, if anything only listen to a trained teacher with enough experience that won't take you backwards before you go fowards. Whether that is one of us here or Geoff (that i know you see).

PM for help if needed.
 

benk

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Jeffman, I didn't say that he was a perfect ops, but he is deffinally more of a ops than what they advocated he do.

Rather than that, I agree with everything you said. There is no way he is reverse pivoting. Does he make a big shift to his back leg, no, but I like his swing the way it is. I personaly couldn't see anything that would make his misses the way they are. I think that he needs to go to whoever he usually goes to, and get it fixed there. To make the changes they stated, would be too big for as good of a player as him. Theres no way he did any of those things when he was striking the ball well, you can't just wake up and do what he does differantly.

Basically, don't look to the internet, its something very minor.
 

Jared Willerson

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Agreed with all, this is a great swing that I would not tinker with much. If at all, golf is a game where you are constantly "finding it" & "losing it". Just trust what you got, it'll come back around.

What I said in earlier posts is basically what Brian taught me. I thought it might make things more clear. Sorry it did not do that Dr. Mann.
 
I cannot understand the recommendation that you should turn your shoulders more horizontally, or that you have a OPS. Your swing definitely doesn't look like a Hardy-style OPS.

I also like your spine angle at address, and I like the fact that you turn your shoulders perpendicularly around your bent-over spine. Why should you turn your shoulders more horizontally?

I have yet to read a rational explanation for your tendency to hit fades, rather than a draw.

Jeff.
his weight dont shift, that is why the ops references. Why does he hit a fade, that is easy too. He lunges past the ball a little so the clubface does not catch up,
 

JeffM

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Shootin4par

I personally don't see any active lunging action, although it is true that his head in the downswing is slightly forward of its address position.

Jeff.
 
Shootin4par

I personally don't see any active lunging action, although it is true that his head in the downswing is slightly forward of its address position.

Jeff.

Hi Jeff, do you think that a head which is moving slightly forward of its address position will have tendency to alter one of the 3 imperatives ?
 
head forward of address moves low point forward. So what are the possibilities? Come way from the inside with an open club face or Move the ball further forward to accommodate low point. or have a SLIGHT flip at the ball to accommodate which may be why he hits the ball high even though he has moved ahead which should hit the ball low or some combination or something I did not mention. His lunge is not big and that is why I said he had a little lunge. For most pros his head movement is not ideal
 
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I would love to post about your swing. Let me take a bit and get back to you.
from what isaw i would not change stuff too much all at once. That would be not a great way about doing things.
However your eye tilt at address should be more to the left.
Ask Brian if you should have more of a hand control takeaway or a sweep loading move. That would clean up the over rotation at the start. It just looks like your moving the clubface too much on the backswing up then laid off open a little.
Your asking for Brian's advice so I would listen to him for the answers....
 
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Again, I appreciate everyone's responses in all of this, and I would be quite honored if Brian took the time out of his busy schedule to take a look at his swing and let me know what he thinks.

There are things that I want to accomplish with my swing, in order to accomplish the goals I have in my golf career, and like everyone, I know I am a long way from perfect. Some of the things I have been thinking about have been addressed in these posts, some things I did not know about have also been brought to my attention which I will think about.

Obviously I cannot and will not try every single thing listed in this thread, but I am seeing some consistancies with what has been said by many very educated people on this board, and what myself and my coach have been working on.

Please keep your opinions coming, because I really do value them all, and appreciate the time taken out to try and help a little Canadian make it in this crazy game! :)

Stew
 

Jono

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Hi Stew,

Another hacker here, so please take only what you think is useful.

I can not really see the reverse pivot that some are talking about. If it is there, I think it's within acceptable range (eg. Jose Maria Olazabal).

What I can see is that you take the club outside on the takeaway and the club is laid off at the top (pointing significantly left of the target). From there you loop it inside by dropping the club behind you. Not a bad move, but probably difficult to repeat over and over.

I think this outside takeaway is to some degree caused by your address posture. You've got quite a big knee bend and your hands are very close to your left thigh. From there, if you took the club back down the line or on the inside, you'd probably hit your right leg, so you naturally take it outside. I'm just guessing but if you stood a little taller with the hands a little further away from you (with your club shaft a little more upright), you'll be able to swing the club back more in line, and hence get into a more down the line position at the top. From there, you don't have to "drop" so much at the start of the downswing to get the club back inside.

One other point is that your clubface is slightly open at the top relative to your left arm with your left wrist slightly cupped. This might be contributing to the open clubface at impact (ie. causing a small fade).
 
Set up....which includes grip.

More Axis Tilt at address......better rotation in backswing

More neutral left hand grip......no fear of release through the ball

Hands more mid body......better ball position and rotation availabilty
 
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