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Jono

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That is so cool ... 8)

You can see from Tiger's field of vision how his head moves during the swing. However, if you compare address to impact, his head would be further AWAY from the target at impact.

Adress:

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Impact:

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PS. You can also see how his hands look outside his left foot at impact ... ie. Ben Doyle's "Illusion of Impact". :)
 
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so tell him jim and have him change it, give him just one word and lets see if it is all cleaned up. I will lay a $100 on it, could use some extra cash ;)
 
Hi there Stewart.

Your swing looks very familiar to me. A lot of what you do, I'm often doing myself. I play in a few local money events and do quite well so good golf can come from it.

Lets first talk about your setup.

I like to talk about the setup because it's static and easy to change.

The first thing that any good golf professional looks at is the grip. The grip basically dictates everything that you must do in the swing to make the ball go straight. You have a classic strong left hand grip with a neutral right hand. Because the hands are working from these two different conditions, it's very easy for one forearms to take control of the other. However, as with just about anything in golf, good hand eye coordination can prevail.

I would prefer you fix the grip of your left hand. Your left forearm is rotated almost to the 2:00 position. Get it so that your wrist bone is vertical. Your right wrist bone is already there.. so just make it so your wrists are perfectly parallel with each other. Now there is going to be an immediate problem for you with this netural left grip. You aren't going to feel like you are making as strong of a pull down toward the ball with your left. It's going to feel like you have to backhand it. But don't worry... that's what your right arm is for.. and if you let your right arm really make a strong move toward the ball, it's going to feel as if nothing has changed.

With your left forearm being so far rotated, it's made you learn some interesting habits. Again, those habits are formed because of the grip. I believe your takeaway is culprit #1. You've learned to set the wrists very very early. For some people that's fine, but I don't like it. I think you've already established a lot of tension in your forearms and tension is the killer of speed. It is also difficult to know when and where to let go of that tension to square up the clubface.

At transition you haven't gotten much weight on your back foot. That's actually a learned habit from fear. You are afraid that if you stay behind this shot, it's going to be a smother hook off the face of the earth. Your left arm simply cannot stay under rotated through impact long enough to facilitate a straight shot, if you are too far behind the ball. As a result you have learned to stay centered with your weight and not move back much. That way you can easily get to your front foot on the way forward and therefore give yourself less time required to keep your left forearm under rotated. In essence you can PULL with your left arm like a karate chop... if you were still a little bit back behind the ball at impact, you couldn't maintain the karate chop action long enough into the ball... and thus you hook it. Possibly even hit it fat.

As you are approaching impact it sure looks like you've maintained lag well, but with that strong left grip you're practically cheating. The club is comming in very flat which isn't really a bad thing. A lot of people would kill to have the club in line with their right elbow. Sergio Garcia plays from that position very very well...

But I want you to look at the down the line view just after impact.

Notice that the hands have travelled well inside, but the clubhead has not? That's because your left arm has to maintain this karate chop action THAT LONG in order to keep from letting the clubface rotate too much and hook it.

If you look at a player with a neutral grip, by the time the hands reach this position the clubhead has already worked much further along. This is a classic "Block" action. In essence you cannot allow yourself to fully release your angles or else you golf ball will need a left turn blinker. That's major power leakage all to prevent the hook.

And finally your finish.

Now the great thing about the finish to me is that it's just like your setup. It's static. And it can tell us a LOT about how you swung.

First thing of note is the position of the club. Notice it's horizontal? That's because you had to keep your left forearm under rotated. If you had a proper release and stayed relaxed from the ball all the way to the finish, that club would be pointing back down to approximately where the ball was.

I know other members of this board are probably going to hammer me for saying what I'm about to say next, but you're rolled out on your front foot and I dont like that. I know it's common practice now days but it's just another indication to me that you've basically pulled your arms accross your body on the forward swing instead of letting them release. If I were to draw a straight line from where your right hip is down, it's just over your shoe laces. It should be about an inch or two in front of your left toe.

If you think about it, I don't think you could hold your balance with that rolled out foot for a full minute, if you lifted your right foot off the ground. Obviously to hold your balance for a full minute on your front foot, you would want it flat on the ground. That's not so hard to do really, your right hip just has to go more to the right, out toward right field. Right now it's going towards shortstop.

And lastly about your finish... your hands are too far around your shoulders. They should be closer to your head. I don't want them to go UP more... I just want you to finish with them closer to your head. That should put them right over your left shoulder socket. Right now they're right over your left bicep. Again that's because your hands and arms swung ACCROSS your body rather than being released fully. And once again I have to point out that's because of your strong left hand grip.

Honestly though you are athletic enough that this is all very simple to solve. Assuming you want to make these changes at all. As far as I'm concerned you can do just fine with a little tweaking of what you have. A few things here and there to what you currently do, without adjusting the grip, can probably produce some consistency. But those wouldn't be much more than just swing thoughts to get you back on track when you start hitting the ball poorly. The karate chop to the ball with your left arm thought would work great for you. Pressing with the palm of your right hand as Jim suggested is also good.

If you are going to fix your left hand grip then you will have to learn to be relaxed through impact and on to the finish much more than you've ever done before. You'll also have to fix the direction that right hip is going.... and lastly you'll have to learn how to get your right shoulder downplane.

Overall, I say you are a very athletic guy with a good athletic swing. It's very powerful.. hits lots of low trajectory shots. You have a great deal of spin to them. A lot of good players have played good golf with your swing. With a good short game it wouldn't be a surprise to see you playing on the Nationwide at some point.
 
That is so cool ... 8)

You can see from Tiger's field of vision how his head moves during the swing. However, if you compare address to impact, his head would be further AWAY from the target at impact.


PS. You can also see how his hands look outside his left foot at impact ... ie. Ben Doyle's "Illusion of Impact". :)


Yeh Jono - i really like the images too - you get the illusions and can really sense the way that his head just holds back on the downswing after an initial small forward move around transition.

There is some video footage of Hogan swinging against a black and white grid somewhere on this site - great because you can see exactly how his head moves in the same manner - it does not pass its address position until well after impact .

I also like his his pre-shot head movement when he rotates rapidly and purposefully to visualise his target - so rapid and precise - machine like focus control then back to the ball and bang!
 

Jim Kobylinski

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so tell him jim and have him change it, give him just one word and lets see if it is all cleaned up. I will lay a $100 on it, could use some extra cash ;)

It's his grip, however you DON'T have to change it. You can play golf just fine with a grip like however it is much easier to learn to play a fade with a grip like that.

So it's really up to him and what he wants to do. At his level you really don't want to tinker too much because he's COMPETING. If he wants to undergo a big swing change in the offseason that's something different.
 
Thanks for the input guys.

Are there any places I can use as a reference to what you feel the grip should look like? I am going to search through the site for some posts on the grip, but anything I should specifically look for?

Stew
 
One question, the grip and a drill

Stew,

Keep working hard, you have the talent that makes teachers look great.

1. Are you left eye dominant or right eye?
2. Search on this site for Brian's grip article. It's really solid and will get your hands matched up better.
3. Try some "perspective" drills. Put a club on a range basket, perpendicular to your target line and have the grip-end centered over the ball (8-10" above ball). You want the grip to somewhat obscure your view of the ball. Hit some shots and take note of what you see. You tend to get a head of the shot a wee bit. This will help.

Cheers
 
It's his grip, however you DON'T have to change it. You can play golf just fine with a grip like however it is much easier to learn to play a fade with a grip like that.

So it's really up to him and what he wants to do. At his level you really don't want to tinker too much because he's COMPETING. If he wants to undergo a big swing change in the offseason that's something different.
but his grip according to you is supposedly the cause of everything he does, so changing one simple thing would not be a drastic change. I see you did not want to take the bet :)

Hey stew, Change the grip and put it up so we can see
 
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Shootin4Par,

I actually sent Jim some video of my grip, and the grip is NOT the source of my problems. Jim admitted (and made a post about it...see Video Can Lie thread) that he made an error, which is understandable because I often pull the tab on my glove very tight, which can give it the impression that the grip is overly strong.

Jim and I spent about two hours yesterday morning talking and working on some things, and I had a great day out at the course yesterday, and noticed some big improvements already.

It is my pivot that is causing me the problems, and Jim did give me a very small suggestion that helped with my grip, but nothing major. I want to say though, I give Jim a lot of credit because once he realized that he made a mistake about his original diagnosis, and saw some better video, he took a very good while helping me with the real source of the problems I have, and when I went and practiced and played, noticed a change immediately.

Jim's a class guy all the way, no doubting that!!

Stew
 

Jim Kobylinski

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Shootin4Par,

I actually sent Jim some video of my grip, and the grip is NOT the source of my problems. Jim admitted (and made a post about it...see Video Can Lie thread) that he made an error, which is understandable because I often pull the tab on my glove very tight, which can give it the impression that the grip is overly strong.

Jim and I spent about two hours yesterday morning talking and working on some things, and I had a great day out at the course yesterday, and noticed some big improvements already.

It is my pivot that is causing me the problems, and Jim did give me a very small suggestion that helped with my grip, but nothing major. I want to say though, I give Jim a lot of credit because once he realized that he made a mistake about his original diagnosis, and saw some better video, he took a very good while helping me with the real source of the problems I have, and when I went and practiced and played, noticed a change immediately.

Jim's a class guy all the way, no doubting that!!

Stew

this is the type of support you will see here at www.brianmanzella.com

:)
 
Badds

I actually can't believe that a person would use Badds swing as a model. Of the four full years he has played on Tour, he has consistently ranked as one of the worst in GIR.
 

JeffM

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47 range

PGA tour peformance depends on many factors other than a good execution of a full swing eg. short game performance, full swing performance under pressure (anxiety), course management.

Aaron Baddeley's driver swing video is freely available from the V1 Home Swing Analyser website. Although that's his old swing, can you identify something that is wrong with his swing?

Jeff.
 

Jared Willerson

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The driver video on V1 should be his new one, it says on the website it was filmed in September of '06, Badds has been working with Plummer & Bennett since early last year...no?

I personally like the swing available on V1.
 

JeffM

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I am using the video swing of Aaron Baddeley apparently taken on September 06. Interestingly, I didn't know that it was that recent, and I only checked on the date when you mentioned that it was from September 06. Somebody told me that he has recently changed his swing. In the December 06 issue of Golf Punk magazine there was a article on Aaron Baddeley and I noticed that his swing seemed to be flatter in that article.

I think that Aaron Baddeley has a great swing and I still haven't read any valid criticism of that swing video.

Jeff.
 
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Badds

2006 58.26% 193rd 71.20 109th 70.71% 4th
2005 60.8% 191st 71.26 115th 69.8% 7th
2004 58.2% 195th 71.61 146th 69.4% NA
2003 60.53% 183rd 70.92 77th 70.30% 6th

On the left is Badds stats for GIR and the center is scoring average, worked with MORAD all last season and no improvement in terms of the number of greens hit over the course of a season. Scoring average remained the same as well. The far right column is Furyk. If I had to bet a lot of money on a guy hitting the green, I would pick Furyk 100 percent of the time. Different swing that works.
 

JeffM

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47 range

So, if a beginner golfer wants to learn how to perform a golf swing, are you arguing that he should he mimic Furyk's golf swing rather than Baddeley's golf swing - because of those stats?

I think that Furyk's swing movements is very problematic from a role model perspective, and I think that Aaron Baddeley's swing movements represent a perfect role model for a beginner golfer to emulate. Is there anything about Aaron Baddeley's swing ( freely available at http://v2.v1home.com ) that you deem a major fault?

Jeff.
 
haha, that was a good counterpoint(s). 47 range probably has absolutely no clue what in Baddely's swing would make him miss greens. And the reason he misses greens may not even be his swing, it could be mental, maybe he doesn't get committed to each shot as well as other guys. Sure as hell not as well as Jim Furyk, that guy's a mental giant.
 

Brian Manzella

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Whew!

What a thread...

When the cat's away, the mice try to steal your memebers/students/followers/etc....

This thread MADE ME go out and get a BROADBAND CARD for my laptop so threads like this won't get out of hand again.


This is an interesting thread and I will try my best to make sense of it.

1. Stewart wants help with his swing. A swing, I may add, that was exhibiting ALL of the problems that a swing like his should. Jimmy is on it and I will post a DETAILED analysis this morning.

2. The "Steep shoulder turn-Flat arm swing-Hover over the ball-with a strong left hand grip and a push position elbow swing" is like a plague. Worst than the Kool-Aid swing. The followers are blinded by hype.

Analysis to follow...:cool:
 
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